The person in the video is John Erickson, aka 'Lagpressure' on some other message boards. He used to be under the tutelage of Ben Doyle. Former Australian and Canadian Tour player as well as a former All-American in college. He says he drive loads with the right arm so I wouldn't label him a 'swinger.' 4-barrel...I have no idea how exactly you would tell that. But it is a superb motion. I would love to see him become a member of this forum so he can give his thoughts and experiences on TGM.
The person in the video is John Erickson, aka 'Lagpressure' on some other message boards. He used to be under the tutelage of Ben Doyle. Former Australian and Canadian Tour player as well as a former All-American in college. He says he drive loads with the right arm so I wouldn't label him a 'swinger.' 4-barrel...I have no idea how exactly you would tell that. But it is a superb motion. I would love to see him become a member of this forum so he can give his thoughts and experiences on TGM.
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Kenny Perry is a great golfer too. I have nothing to say about how low a golfer scores or the color of his socks. I do think, “If you’re going to talk the talk, you’ve got to walk the walk”.
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“He says he drive loads with the right arm so I wouldn't label him a 'swinger.' 4-barrel...I have no idea how exactly you would tell that.”
Because one cannot “Drive” with a Pitched Elbow.
The Downward and Reverse Bend in the Clubshaft is not an optical illusion and not a simple matter of that D-2 Swingweight. When he Uncocked his Right Wrist, it threw the Clubhead Down-Plane. The Clubhead is no longer Lagging regardless of the distance it trails. Lag-pressure and Accumulator Pressure are lost.
He Straightens the Right Elbow during the Downswing which forces the Club to release early, in-lieu of using Power Package Structure and an Arm Acceleration Sequence. He has no choice and cannot bring a Stressed Clubshaft into Impact. Throw-Away. You cannot Out-Run CF no matter how much effort. The Right Arm Throw is a Trigger. Substituting the Right Arm Throw for the Hand Throw does not make you a Hitter.
He must swing using these (his) procedures because of the Elbow Plane. His Right Elbow has so much Bend at the Top, that unless he begins straightening the Right Elbow from the Top, he'll be hopelessly above Plane at Release.
Don’t confuse straightening the Right Elbow during the Downswing with Hitting. Hitting is Driving the Clubshaft by Straightening the Right Elbow during Release and Impact from a Punch Elbow position.
This is Typical of Professional Golfers. I'm not dissing him.
There is only ONE WAY to bring a Stressed Clubshaft into Impact.
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2-M-1 BASIC POWER Clubhead power is directly proportional to its Kinetic Energy which is expressed as “one half the mass multiplied by the square of velocity (1/2MV2).” Clubhead velocity is developed by Thrust, which is an Acceleration Force, and Thrust, herein, is normally constant regardless of the velocity it produced. See 6-F-1. This Thrust may be Muscular Force and /or Centrifugal Force. Power is the total effective Force that is impinged on the Ball – which is related to the Angular Momentum of the Clubhead Mass, as well as to the prestressed Clubshaft (6-C-2) and the sustaining or driving actions of the above mentioned Thrust – all of which contribute resistance to Impact Deceleration (2-E). “Centrifugal Accleration” (per 2-K) is staunchly proportional to the Angular Speed of its Center and reaches a maximum speed almost instantly after Release and tries to remain constant. With Drive Loading (10-19-A) the outward pull of Centrifugal Force tends to conceal but cannot cancel the considerable contribution of a prestressed (Bent) Clubshaft, though it is Bent even more at Separation.
Bold and RED by Daryl. So, don't release early and don't use a procedure that causes an early release.
LagPressure might not agree 100% with what we are learning here, but without question, he lives and loves G.O.L.F. Mr. Erickson has tested his love for G.O.L.F. competitively on many tours around the world, against some of the greatest players in the game, and lives his life trying to pass along what he has learned.
For pure TGM, I love it here. YODA and many others on this board are those who I aspire to be like, but there are others like Lag that deserve our respect as well. I have learned a LOT from Lag's posts on iSeek, and appreciate his contributions very much. I believe Lag and YODA would become fast friends and I would welcome Lag's contributions here as well.
Go Brian Gay!
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John ACTIVELY thrusts at the ball. It's scary how hard too. Those old persimmons scream at impact. We got together post Cuscowilla in San Fran and enjoyed a round at Mare Island with the old gear.
I'm not criticizing his Golf or his passion for TGM and the game. However, he's not a Hitter no matter how much Right Arm Muscle you think he uses before, during or after Impact.
He's not Radially Driving or Accelerating the Primary Lever. If you want to use Right Arm Muscle to Accelerate the Secondary Lever, then by all means, do so. He loads the Clubshaft at the Top. He does not Load the Primary Lever.
He may think he Pushes with his Right Arm, but it's a Pull. Like a Horse in a harness pulling a cart. Is the Horse Pushing or Pulling? Driving or Dragging? It may feel like pushing the Clubshaft (Straightening his Right Elbow) and Pulling the Clubshaft simultaneously during the Downstroke. That does not make him a Hitter or a 4 Barrel Hitter. It's all about Elbow Location.
Everything he does is all about the Clubshaft. He's a Swinger.
Erickson told me that the best way to train the hands is to actively fire the hands from pitch because pitch increases the angle of the right forearm and the shaft at the parallel before impact ( He calls this the P3 4:30 line) therefore increasing the range of motion for the hands to travel, but it takes a lot of work to train the hands to fire that fast actively.
He said the advantage of this is that you can increase the rotation of the 3rd accumulator,and you gain the advantage of drive loading into impact, therefore actively taking control of impact with the hands, not relying on a dead hand CF hand throw release into a full roll horizontal hinge. He also said that by going this route, you can steepen the angle of attack from a more true low point ball position which puts all the geometry on your side.
He told me the secret of golf is to hold shaft flex into impact because a pre stressed shaft will resist the forces of impact better than an unstressed one, and that pre stress also puts more feel in the hands of the player.
It was hard to argue after watching him pure the ball around the golf course with a set of Hogan Bounce Soles from the 1960's.
I believe John is a hitter, every sensation he describes is a hit and he is very knowledgeable as it relates to the golfing machine. And no one should question whether or not he compresses the ball.
What is interesting to me is the difference in his motion and the hitting motion of our's truly Mr. Ted Fort.
Significant differences in their motions. Ted sets up at impact fix with a bent right wrist, maintains the structure and takes it to the top and then drives the bent right wrist down and smashes the ball.
Mr. Ericson, aka lagpressure on the other hand has a standard setup, hinges his right wrist and actively turns and unhinges through and past impact. He also takes his backswing to finish.
Now let me ask this, If I actively bend the right wrist on the backswing and unbend it on the downswing, however, it is still slightly bent and the hands are in front of the clubhead at impact, is that not still hitting? Did I not obtain the objective of a bent right wrist at impact driven by the right side, just with a more dynamic movement as opposed to a static one?
Both Ted and John are using their right side, just different styles and both are incredibly effective.
I can't believe what I am reading here,
I've played with Lag and as a ball striker he's pretty good.
We had an awesome day play with the old gear and played some great golf.
The swing your commenting on that day he hit 16 greens.
I've test lags biomechanics and he has good physics.
There are a few areas he can improve on although overall pretty good.
I can't tell you now he's not moving the way you all believe he is , the illusion of video.
How do you know how his swing works when you can't measure each segment speed and know if he has muscular loading.
And measure what the club is doing. If the club is decelerating or accelerating into impact.
How do you know if he has kinetic link (6-M-1) or not so he is using the right sequence.
Lag swings it pretty good and he's actually a hitter. we measured him.
Picking at straws really , the guys swing it quite well, they are a few issue which has nothing to do with what you are talking about. That's an end result, not what his true underlaying issues are
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