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4 Barrel Hitting

I am sure some of you know who this dude is...I played with him a couple of days back. Says he is a 4-Barrel Hitter...what do you think?

4 Barrel Hitter

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Originally Posted by comdpa (Post 65769)

I am sure some of you know who this dude is...I played with him a couple of days back. Says he is a 4-Barrel Hitter...what do you think?

Is a Picture still worth a Thousand Words?
Are we still in the "Dark Age" of TGM?

Typical Professional Elbow Plane Swinger:

no Power Package
no Acceleration Sequence
Cock the Right Wrist
Pivot Controlled Hands

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 65771)

Is a Picture still worth a Thousand Words?
Are we still in the "Dark Age" of TGM?

Typical Professional Elbow Plane Swinger:

no Power Package
no Acceleration Sequence
Cock the Right Wrist
Pivot Controlled Hands

Daryl,

Perhaps you would like to elaborate on your comments?

The person in the video is John Erickson, aka 'Lagpressure' on some other message boards. He used to be under the tutelage of Ben Doyle. Former Australian and Canadian Tour player as well as a former All-American in college. He says he drive loads with the right arm so I wouldn't label him a 'swinger.' 4-barrel...I have no idea how exactly you would tell that. But it is a superb motion. I would love to see him become a member of this forum so he can give his thoughts and experiences on TGM.

3JACK

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Originally Posted by Richie3Jack (Post 65774)

Kenny Perry is a great golfer too. I have nothing to say about how low a golfer scores or the color of his socks. I do think, “If you’re going to talk the talk, you’ve got to walk the walk”.

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“He says he drive loads with the right arm so I wouldn't label him a 'swinger.' 4-barrel...I have no idea how exactly you would tell that.”

Because one cannot “Drive” with a Pitched Elbow.

The Downward and Reverse Bend in the Clubshaft is not an optical illusion and not a simple matter of that D-2 Swingweight. When he Uncocked his Right Wrist, it threw the Clubhead Down-Plane. The Clubhead is no longer Lagging regardless of the distance it trails. Lag-pressure and Accumulator Pressure are lost.

He Straightens the Right Elbow during the Downswing which forces the Club to release early, in-lieu of using Power Package Structure and an Arm Acceleration Sequence. He has no choice and cannot bring a Stressed Clubshaft into Impact. Throw-Away. You cannot Out-Run CF no matter how much effort. The Right Arm Throw is a Trigger. Substituting the Right Arm Throw for the Hand Throw does not make you a Hitter.

He must swing using these (his) procedures because of the Elbow Plane. His Right Elbow has so much Bend at the Top, that unless he begins straightening the Right Elbow from the Top, he'll be hopelessly above Plane at Release.

Don’t confuse straightening the Right Elbow during the Downswing with Hitting. Hitting is Driving the Clubshaft by Straightening the Right Elbow during Release and Impact from a Punch Elbow position.

This is Typical of Professional Golfers. I'm not dissing him.

There is only ONE WAY to bring a Stressed Clubshaft into Impact.

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2-M-1 BASIC POWER Clubhead power is directly proportional to its Kinetic Energy which is expressed as “one half the mass multiplied by the square of velocity (1/2MV2).” Clubhead velocity is developed by Thrust, which is an Acceleration Force, and Thrust, herein, is normally constant regardless of the velocity it produced. See 6-F-1. This Thrust may be Muscular Force and /or Centrifugal Force. Power is the total effective Force that is impinged on the Ball – which is related to the Angular Momentum of the Clubhead Mass, as well as to the prestressed Clubshaft (6-C-2) and the sustaining or driving actions of the above mentioned Thrust – all of which contribute resistance to Impact Deceleration (2-E). “Centrifugal Accleration” (per 2-K) is staunchly proportional to the Angular Speed of its Center and reaches a maximum speed almost instantly after Release and tries to remain constant. With Drive Loading (10-19-A) the outward pull of Centrifugal Force tends to conceal but cannot cancel the considerable contribution of a prestressed (Bent) Clubshaft, though it is Bent even more at Separation.

Bold and RED by Daryl. So, don't release early and don't use a procedure that causes an early release.

To reword a little phrase from Mr. Harvey Penick:

If you love G.O.L.F. you are my friend.

LagPressure might not agree 100% with what we are learning here, but without question, he lives and loves G.O.L.F. Mr. Erickson has tested his love for G.O.L.F. competitively on many tours around the world, against some of the greatest players in the game, and lives his life trying to pass along what he has learned.

For pure TGM, I love it here. YODA and many others on this board are those who I aspire to be like, but there are others like Lag that deserve our respect as well. I have learned a LOT from Lag's posts on iSeek, and appreciate his contributions very much. I believe Lag and YODA would become fast friends and I would welcome Lag's contributions here as well.

Go Brian Gay!

Kevin

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 65777)

Kenny Perry is a great golfer too. I have nothing to say about how low a golfer scores or the color of his socks. I do think, “If you’re going to talk the talk, you’ve got to walk the walk”.

Because one cannot “Drive” with a Pitched Elbow.

The Downward and Reverse Bend in the Clubshaft is not an optical illusion and not a simple matter of that D-2 Swingweight. When he Uncocked his Right Wrist, it threw the Clubhead Down-Plane. The Clubhead is no longer Lagging regardless of the distance it trails. Lag-pressure and Accumulator Pressure are lost.

He Straightens the Right Elbow during the Downswing which forces the Club to release early, in-lieu of using Power Package Structure and an Arm Acceleration Sequence. He has no choice and cannot bring a Stressed Clubshaft into Impact. Throw-Away. You cannot Out-Run CF no matter how much effort. The Right Arm Throw is a Trigger. Substituting the Right Arm Throw for the Hand Throw does not make you a Hitter.

He must swing using these (his) procedures because of the Elbow Plane. His Right Elbow has so much Bend at the Top, that unless he begins straightening the Right Elbow from the Top, he'll be hopelessly above Plane at Release.

Don’t confuse straightening the Right Elbow during the Downswing with Hitting. Hitting is Driving the Clubshaft by Straightening the Right Elbow during Release and Impact from a Punch Elbow position.

This is Typical of Professional Golfers. I'm not dissing him.

There is only ONE WAY to bring a Stressed Clubshaft into Impact.

Bold and RED by Daryl. So, don't release early and don't use a procedure that causes an early release.

He does hit from pitch! One thing about these photos, is that because his persimmon heads are very heavy, there is more toe dip or downward shaft bend.. he is very late in firing #3, so it gives a bit of a side view and can appear to be a loss of shaft
flex, when in fact it is not..

I grabbed this sequence and just before impact you can see that flex is held... because the shaft has been rotated into impact and is not a delayed side view from a late hit..

This guy never hits balls, plays only once a week and I watched him hit 16 postage stamp greens, missed only one fairway, and did all that in a stiff wind - with ancient clubs...

He hit only one ball before we made our way to the course...and the reason for that was to see what his tendency for the day was.

John ACTIVELY thrusts at the ball. It's scary how hard too. Those old persimmons scream at impact. We got together post Cuscowilla in San Fran and enjoyed a round at Mare Island with the old gear.

I'm not criticizing his Golf or his passion for TGM and the game. However, he's not a Hitter no matter how much Right Arm Muscle you think he uses before, during or after Impact.

He's not Radially Driving or Accelerating the Primary Lever. If you want to use Right Arm Muscle to Accelerate the Secondary Lever, then by all means, do so. He loads the Clubshaft at the Top. He does not Load the Primary Lever.

He may think he Pushes with his Right Arm, but it's a Pull. Like a Horse in a harness pulling a cart. Is the Horse Pushing or Pulling? Driving or Dragging? It may feel like pushing the Clubshaft (Straightening his Right Elbow) and Pulling the Clubshaft simultaneously during the Downstroke. That does not make him a Hitter or a 4 Barrel Hitter. It's all about Elbow Location.

Everything he does is all about the Clubshaft. He's a Swinger.

Interesting and fascinating at the same time.

Here you have two guys who have played with LP, who are in accordance that he kt
is a hitter.

And then one who, what I understand, has not played with LP, who states the opposite.

We all know that it is push or pull. Only the player can tell. Even Mr. Kelley said that.

What does LP say he does?

btw. Brother Comdpa! Long time no hear. How are you? Need to catch up.