1- a swivel is like a safety value after impact for a swinger to finish the horizontal hinging action and put the club back on plane into the finish. Hitters “swivel action” is later but not slower in preforming. I feel a hitter who is driving the right arm with #1pp doesn’t perform the same “swivel” as a swinger but achieves the same result as the hand action puts the club back on plane into the finish. For a Swinger, without a swivel, the Horizontal hinge action would stop and the clubhead thrown away, the right wrist would flip.
2- I’m not sure what you mean by ‘true rotation’ but there are NO synonymous terms in the TGM language. Swivel is swivel and means only swivel and nothing else does. Hahah. It is the hidden value of TGM.
3- All wrist and hand actions are loading actions and can perform at anytime. Generally sweep (throughout) and snap (late) loading are the most common. What you do not want to do is start putting the body and club in positions. Alignments are not positions. The swing is fluid not fixed.
4- never give it much thought.
Fanning is like unclapping- movement from the center- fanning, unclapping outward. Since there are not unnatural movements in the machine- the forearms must move somewhat. The point isn’t moving or turning the forearm but the hand/wrist.
5- The right wrist only bends- that is the horizontal plane movement and is never called cocking Only the left wrist cocks. The pro at impact may or may not have a bend in the right wrist, but in each case it is level as long as it is still a horizontal movement. This is not a flip which is total breakdown.
A straightening of the right unbent wrist occurs to some degree depending on the stroke. A flat right wrist occurs twice in a stroke, at address and once again after impact before re-bending to the finish to some like Ben Doyle, while others say it should remain bent all the time. Mine flattens some on long irons and woods and stays bent with short irons and pitches. Level is the key.
So,the Startup Swivel is like un-clapping and the Horizontal Hinge is like a level clapping.
Sheesh, how did HK put this all together? Lots more to learn!
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The left wrist is cocked by the motion of the right elbow, not the right wrist. That is how you can maintain no wrist cock in the right, but have a cocked left wrist.
Check that you are maintaining extensor action. It is likey that if you are cocking the right wrist, you probably are not.
So, we "clap" with Extensor Action. Wow! EA must be strong enough to keep the right wrist firm but loose enough to allow the clapping motion.
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 02-06-2011 at 10:36 PM.
You are probably used to less shoulder turn with hitting. IMO, swinging it is more critical to get a fuller turn and 'wait for it' before startdown. Try drilling with the exaggerated feel that your left shoulder gets behind the ball and 'hit the ball with the back of the left shoulder' - this will help you synch up the feel of trusting your hands and chest to turn through together. Also, full roll means FULL roll - until you can hook the heck out of it on command with big sweeping hooks - then back off until you feel a 'smoooooooth' steady rotation through - let that club feel heavy.
Also, it is likely that you are not using a startup swivel, which to you will feel like a 'big' roll of the clubface to toe up position - trust that. If you shank, you are too inside and need more 'up'. Ironically, that startup swivel makes the downswing swivel fairly 'automatic' and you won't have to focus on the 'full roll' - CF will take care of that for you.
All of that is seen below.
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I'm proud of this video, Patrick, and the Part I that preceded it (from the same presentation). I did it on an impulse, knowing there was a need. Just set up a camera -- thanks for your help, Ted Fort! -- and rolled. Didn't even have a mike.
The night before I'd thought to myself: "Hinge Action is one of the three most important concepts in golf. Almost nobody knows it exists, and most of the few who do don't understand it. It must be explained, and if not by me, then who?"
Remember the time: Few had this information then. Sure, plenty of aficionados owned "the book", but you simply cannot learn this concept from the book alone, and there was no "guide" around. The concept, if discussed at all, was the stuff of chat rooms, not in depth explanation. Then came Lynn Blake Golf: I wear proudly the derisive star of "book literalist".
And when the worthy pioneers attempted an explanation, it was done only in terms of the Feels: Roll,No Roll, and Reverse Roll, with zero discussion of the underlying Mechanical Concept. Even then, they often got the Feels mixed up with the Clubface Motions. The few who attempted the Mechanical Concept almost always got it wrong. That's strong stuff, I know, but that's the way it was -- a great void.
Now many thousands understand. All over the world. Lynn Blake Golf has made a difference, a big difference. Yay!!
The principles I demonstrate are timeless. Other younger men and women may do a better job in the future -- if so, my purpose has been served -- but for now, this gets it done.
I'm proud of this video, Patrick, and the Part I that preceded it (from the same presentation). I did it on an impulse, knowing there was a need. Just set up a camera -- thanks for your help, Ted Fort! -- and rolled. Didn't even have a mike.
The night before I'd thought to myself: "Hinge Action is one of the three most important concepts in golf. Almost nobody knows it exists, and most of the few who do don't understand it. It must be explained, and if not by me, then who?"
Remember the time: Few had this information then. Sure, plenty of aficionados owned "the book", but you simply cannot learn this concept from the book alone, and there was no "guide" around. The concept, if discussed at all, was the stuff of chat rooms, not in depth explanation. Then came Lynn Blake Golf: I wear proudly the derisive star of "book literalist".
And when the worthy pioneers attempted an explanation, it was done only in terms of the Feels: Roll,No Roll, and Reverse Roll, with zero discussion of the underlying Mechanical Concept. Even then, they often got the Feels mixed up with the Clubface Motions. The few who attempted the Mechanical Concept almost always got it wrong. That's strong stuff, I know, but that's the way it was -- a great void.
Now many thousands understand. All over the world. Lynn Blake Golf has made a difference, a big difference. Yay!!
The principles I demonstrate are timeless. Other younger men and women may do a better job in the future -- if so, my purpose has been served -- but for now, this gets it done.
Thanks for the 'front and center' bump.
Timeless. Amen.
We may keep learning without fear of obsolescence.
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I'm proud of this video, Patrick, and the Part I that preceded it (from the same presentation). I did it on an impulse, knowing there was a need. Just set up a camera -- thanks for your help, Ted Fort! -- and rolled. Didn't even have a mike.
The night before I'd thought to myself: "Hinge Action is one of the three most important concepts in golf. Almost nobody knows it exists, and most of the few who do don't understand it. It must be explained, and if not by me, then who?"
Remember the time: Few had this information then. Sure, plenty of aficionados owned "the book", but you simply cannot learn this concept from the book alone, and there was no "guide" around. The concept, if discussed at all, was the stuff of chat rooms, not in depth explanation. Then came Lynn Blake Golf: I wear proudly the derisive star of "book literalist".
And when the worthy pioneers attempted an explanation, it was done only in terms of the Feels: Roll,No Roll, and Reverse Roll, with zero discussion of the underlying Mechanical Concept. Even then, they often got the Feels mixed up with the Clubface Motions. The few who attempted the Mechanical Concept almost always got it wrong. That's strong stuff, I know, but that's the way it was -- a great void.
Now many thousands understand. All over the world. Lynn Blake Golf has made a difference, a big difference. Yay!!
The principles I demonstrate are timeless. Other younger men and women may do a better job in the future -- if so, my purpose has been served -- but for now, this gets it done.
Thanks for the 'front and center' bump.
If I get to understand some important things and use them correctly before April, Lynn, I hope to take the super-secret "Decoder Ring Exams." That's the cherry on top of the ice-cream sunday of SHOOTING PAR WHEN I WANT TO BECAUSE I CAN!
Seriously, in reference to Par, the Horizontal Hinge is something I must do on command to have any hope of real compression and distance and I know that. Even trying the HH has increased my driving distance by 20 + yards though it is Pull/Push as Daryl has aptly explained so I must be flashing my hands. Nevertheless, with a little open stance, it is controllable. And considering my lack of knowledge and being on this great site, I will get better.
If I hit more down, the flashing of the hands won't matter right? (Just an idea.) if I start my Sweep right away, when the club face (left hand) rotates, it'll be the natural consequence of a vigorous down thrust!!!!
I just don't get how smoothly the pro's perform! I stood behind BG at Aronimink for 30 minutes watching and I pet my dog with more vigor than he uses in one Swing!
Anyway... Cuscowilla will be a blast after the Masters.
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I hate this video because it describes my old swing very well. Vertical karate chop down with the right hip back and big time horizontal hinge.
Problem was that sends your plane line well out the right and unless you take the weakest of weak grips its going to be Hello Mr Snappy, and at best lots of blocks. When your hand comes down like he describes doesn't that pull the right shoulder under the plane?
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I hate this video because it describes my old swing very well. Vertical karate chop down with the right hip back and big time horizontal hinge.
Problem was that sends your plane line well out the right and unless you take the weakest of weak grips its going to be Hello Mr Snappy, and at best lots of blocks. When your hand comes down like he describes doesn't that pull the right shoulder under the plane?
I do not agree with Tommy's methodology here (except possibly as an exaggerated 'feel' to help keep the student's right shoulder ON Plane during the Start Down). I teach using the Pivot -- not the Arms -- to transport the Loaded Power Package to Release.
And, while we're discussing this video, Tommy also presents another confusing picture: A stick on the Clubface held vertical or horizontal has zero to do with the proper mechanics or conception of Hinge Action.
One of the reasons TGM is so confusing is that its Basic Concepts are often presented by well-meaning instructors in very confusing ways. Almost always, these bastardizations have little in common with Mr. Kelley's book. So many teachers, in an attempt to 'simplify', put in their own little 'twist' and thereby hopelessly mangle the concept.
In my opinion, it is far better to remain true to the original concept and way it is presented in the book. Communicated, of course, in each Instructor's own unique way (but not at the expense of the concept itself). But then . . .
I do not agree with Tommy's methodology here (except possibly as an exaggerated 'feel' to help keep the student's right shoulder ON Plane during the Start Down). I teach using the Pivot -- not the Arms -- to transport the Loaded Power Package to Release.
And, while we're discussing this video, Tommy also presents another confusing picture: A stick on the Clubface held vertical or horizontal has zero to do with the proper mechanics or conception of Hinge Action.
One of the reasons TGM is so confusing is that its Basic Concepts are often presented by well-meaning instructors in very confusing ways. Almost always, these bastardizations have little in common with Mr. Kelley's book. So many teachers, in an attempt to 'simplify', put in their own little 'twist' and thereby hopelessly mangle the concept.
In my opinion, it is far better to remain true to the original concept and way it is presented in the book. Communicated, of course, in each Instructor's own unique way (but not at the expense of the concept itself). But then . . .
That's just me.
What's wrong with Tommy's way to illustrate this? Doesn't the club face and the left wrist always point in the same direction - in these 3 types of hinging?
What's wrong with Tommy's way to illustrate this? Doesn't the club face and the left wrist always point in the same direction - in these 3 types of hinging?
Holding the Flat Left Wrist Vertical to one of Three Associated Planes (Horizontal, Angled, Vertical), imparts the same Alignment to the Clubface.
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2-G HINGE MOTION ......
These motions actually duplicate the three possible hinge mountings – horizontal, vertical and angled – representing all three Basic Planes (7-5). The Hands can be educated to reproduce them by holding at least one Hand vertical or parallel to the corresponding Basic Plane. These motions also duplicate the motions of paddles of a paddlewheel rotating around its axis vertical to one of the three Basic Plane
If TT's Clubface had "Zero Loft" while demonstrating the Clubface-Stick example, it would be more valid for explaining the effects of Hinge Action. ??
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