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Old 02-07-2011, 06:55 PM
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I do not agree with Tommy's methodology here (except possibly as an exaggerated 'feel' to help keep the student's right shoulder ON Plane during the Start Down). I teach using the Pivot -- not the Arms -- to transport the Loaded Power Package to Release.

For the correct conception, go here to a post I wrote just yesterday:http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...2185#post82185.

And, while we're discussing this video, Tommy also presents another confusing picture: A stick on the Clubface held vertical or horizontal has zero to do with the proper mechanics or conception of Hinge Action.

One of the reasons TGM is so confusing is that its Basic Concepts are often presented by well-meaning instructors in very confusing ways. Almost always, these bastardizations have little in common with Mr. Kelley's book. So many teachers, in an attempt to 'simplify', put in their own little 'twist' and thereby hopelessly mangle the concept.

In my opinion, it is far better to remain true to the original concept and way it is presented in the book. Communicated, of course, in each Instructor's own unique way (but not at the expense of the concept itself). But then . . .

That's just me.

What's wrong with Tommy's way to illustrate this? Doesn't the club face and the left wrist always point in the same direction - in these 3 types of hinging?
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:52 PM
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What's wrong with Tommy's way to illustrate this? Doesn't the club face and the left wrist always point in the same direction - in these 3 types of hinging?
Holding the Flat Left Wrist Vertical to one of Three Associated Planes (Horizontal, Angled, Vertical), imparts the same Alignment to the Clubface.

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2-G HINGE MOTION ......
These motions actually duplicate the three possible hinge mountings – horizontal, vertical and angled – representing all three Basic Planes (7-5). The Hands can be educated to reproduce them by holding at least one Hand vertical or parallel to the corresponding Basic Plane. These motions also duplicate the motions of paddles of a paddlewheel rotating around its axis vertical to one of the three Basic Plane
If TT's Clubface had "Zero Loft" while demonstrating the Clubface-Stick example, it would be more valid for explaining the effects of Hinge Action. ??
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:57 PM
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Holding the Flat Left Wrist Vertical to one of Three Associated Planes (Horizontal, Angled, Vertical), imparts the same Alignment to the Clubface.



If TT's Clubface had "Zero Loft" while demonstrating the Clubface-Stick example, it would be more valid for explaining the effects of Hinge Action. ??
Do your quotes confirm or disprove what I said?
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Old 02-07-2011, 09:38 PM
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What's wrong with Tommy's way to illustrate this? Doesn't the club face and the left wrist always point in the same direction - in these 3 types of hinging?
What's "wrong with Tommy's way to illustrate this?" Here goes . . .

He's not illustrating 'this' -- Hinge Action -- he's illustrating 'that'. 'That' being his way of differentiating a laying back or closing Clubface using a rod stuck on the face of the club that finally becomes vertical (to the ground) or horizontal (to the ground). [As differentiated from the true concept below, the use of "to the ground" in the vertical action is deliberate and not a mistake.]

I'll grant that the rod makes the Clubface Motion more obvious. That's why I use and have fun with the super-large clubhead you've seen in some of my videos. But -- and here's the rub -- relating the precision Hinge Pin alignments of Vertical and Horizontal to the "vertical" and "horizontal" position of the rod makes me cringe.

Axiom #4 of the 21 axioms of The Machine (1-L) states that the Hinge Assembly (and its pre-positioned primary Hinge Pin) controls the Clubface alignment. The Hinge Pin is mounted Vertical to one of three Basic Planes: Horizontal, Angled, or Vertical.

Let's talk Horizontal Hinge Action for a moment. Tommy's rod on the Clubface becoming parallel to the horizontal plane, i.e., in a "horizontal" condition, has absolutely nothing to do with the true concept of Hinge Action. In fact, the rod becomes "horizontal" only at one point.

In true Horizontal Hinge Action, the Left Shoulder Hinge Pin (a theoretical, not biomechanical, concept) is always mounted vertical to the ground (the horizontal plane). This Hinge Pin mounting produces a Clubface Motion that is always closing.

In true Vertical Hinge Action, the Left Shoulder Hinge Pin is always mounted vertical to a wall (the vertical plane). This Hinge Pin mounting produces a Clubface Motion that is always laying back.

The Golfing Machine is hard enough already. "Short cuts" that confuse the issue do not make things easier. In fact, they serve only to confuse and, in the long term, make a true understanding even harder.

In your study, I implore you to find a competent instructor. One-on-one with an expert, complex concepts quickly become simple. But, as this post proves . . .

Going at it 'solo' can be a tough experience.

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Old 02-07-2011, 09:48 PM
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What's "wrong with Tommy's way to illustrate this?" Here goes . . .

He's not illustrating 'this' -- Hinge Action -- he's illustrating 'that'. 'That' being his way of differentiating a laying back or closing Clubface using a rod stuck on the face of the club that finally becomes vertical (to the ground) or horizontal (to the ground). [As differentiated from the true concept below, the use of "to the ground" in the vertical action is deliberate and not a mistake.]

I'll grant that the rod makes the Clubface Motion more obvious. That's why I use and have fun with the super-large clubhead you've seen in some of my videos. But -- and here's the rub -- relating the precision Hinge Pin alignments of Vertical and Horizontal to the "vertical" and "horizontal" position of the rod makes me cringe.

Axiom #4 of the 21 axioms of The Machine (1-L) states that the Hinge Assembly (and its pre-positioned primary Hinge Pin) controls the Clubface alignment. The Hinge Pin is mounted Vertical to one of three Basic Planes: Horizontal, Angled, or Vertical.

Let's talk Horizontal Hinge Action for a moment. Tommy's rod on the Clubface becoming parallel to the horizontal plane, i.e., in a "horizontal" condition, has absolutely nothing to do with the true concept of Hinge Action. In fact, the rod becomes "horizontal" only at one point.

In true Horizontal Hinge Action, the Left Shoulder Hinge Pin (a theoretical, not biomechanical, concept) is always mounted vertical to the ground (the horizontal plane). This Hinge Pin mounting produces a Clubface Motion that is always closing.

In true Vertical Hinge Action, the Left Shoulder Hinge Pin is always mounted vertical to a wall (the vertical plane). This Hinge Pin mounting produces a Clubface Motion that is always laying back.

The Golfing Machine is hard enough already. "Short cuts" that confuse the issue do not make things easier. In fact, they serve only to confuse and, in the long term, make a true understanding even harder.

In your study, I implore you to find a competent instructor. One-on-one with an expert, complex concepts quickly become simple. But, as this post proves . . .

Going at it 'solo' can be a tough experience.

Finding a competent instructor is the least of my problems...

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Old 02-07-2011, 10:09 PM
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Finding a competent instructor is the least of my problems...
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Air.

One trip from Norway and another one coming (all in a span of only six months) is evidence of your commitment.

Your airfare is booked, and your Cuscowilla accomodations are reserved. See you in March!

Soon, the Norwegian snows will melt, and the dark of winter will turn to the light of spring.

Your golfing buddies will be ready for some "Air".



Then . . .

They'll "reap the whirlwind".



I expect us to learn all about it -- here in your own uncensored thread -- at LynnBlakeGolf.com.

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Old 02-07-2011, 10:21 PM
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, Air.

One trip from Norway and another one coming (all in a span of only six months) is evidence of your commitment.

Your airfare is booked, and your Cuscowilla accomodations are reserved. See you in March!

The Norwegian snows will melt, and the dark of winter will turn to the light of spring.

Your golfing buddies will be ready for some "Air".

Then . . .

They'll "reap the whirlwind".



I expect to learn all about it -- here in your own uncensored thread -- at LynnBlakeGolf.com.

Sounds like a good plan.
From October to March, but the same off season. Almost unreal.
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:26 AM
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Sounds like a good plan.
From October to March, but the same off season. Almost unreal.

Stay with me, Air. This will work . . .

10 United States dollars (USD) = 55 Norwegian Kroner (KON).

Now, given 1 USD to 5.5 KON, what kind of odds can we get?

Who cares!?

I'm in for 5 USD.

Maybe more.

Call me.



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Old 02-08-2011, 05:13 AM
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Stay with me, Air. This will work . . .

10 United States dollars (USD) = 55 Norwegian Kroner (KON).

Now, given 1 USD to 5.5 KON, what kind of odds can we get?

Who cares!?

I'm in for 5 USD.

Maybe more.

Call me.



I can't say I understand what this means or what I should call you about. I pay my (US) bills in dollars. No problems there, I believe...
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