Golly that tape brings back memories of my time in that big room of tommy's at deer track golf & cc in myrtle beach. I like the video - very clear. In the last part where he holds the hips back and starts the arms down out toward first base is where I gave up on Tommy. He worked with me on that and it just didn't compute. It felt awkward. With axis tilt and that arm motion I could never find the plane line. Where was the tracing. I could never get back on course. He helped me alot but I never went back after that. Frankly it just felt weird to me. I was sitting down, squaring, from the TSP, pulling and that goofed that all up
Thanks for linking that video! That's great stuff. I've never heard anyone advocate leaving the right hip back like that. I just went out and hit a bucket of balls and it worked wonderfully. I think it may be a major key for my swing. On video my hip doesnt really stay completely back, but it stays back enough to help me get my right elbow more pitchy and more in front of my right hip. Awesome.
Golly that tape brings back memories of my time in that big room of tommy's at deer track golf & cc in myrtle beach. I like the video - very clear. In the last part where he holds the hips back and starts the arms down out toward first base is where I gave up on Tommy. He worked with me on that and it just didn't compute. It felt awkward. With axis tilt and that arm motion I could never find the plane line. Where was the tracing. I could never get back on course. He helped me alot but I never went back after that. Frankly it just felt weird to me. I was sitting down, squaring, from the TSP, pulling and that goofed that all up
David, with all due respect to Mr Tomasello , which is considerable, his geometry would not appear to be consistent with 1-L, 2-C or 7-2. You're quite right , you cant Trace a Straight Line Base Line when you've bent the plane to the right.
Horizontal HInging is not a swinging towards first base and a "rolling it over" to hit a shot between 1st and 2nd that draws left. It could work out that way but where's the underlying geometry? Where's the Associated Horizontal Basic Plane of the Hinge Action , where's the club face vs the club path, Divergence, where's his face at address, where's his plane line?
When he demonstrates the various Hinge Actions he sure appears to swing out to the right for Horizontal. As if Horizontal has its own associated Closed Plane Line. Ive heard an assertion from some that TGM'rs swing towards 1st base but I didnt know it really existed as theory from some A.I.'s
I dont really want to get into all this out of respect for Mr Tomasello but there's people out there who might think this is out of the book. Which it isnt.
The only time a TGM 'r really swings to the right is when he's pointed his plane line in that direction, Closed. Thrust on the other hand continues down and out towards the straight , square plane line until the Right Arm is Straight at Follow Through. The clubheads Arc of Approach is down and out towards the plane line until low point.
Delaware Golf is gonna hate me for this. Sorry man , T.T. had a lot of attributes , he did, his contribution was immense. Maybe he was simplifying or something ......
Isn't golf amazing. What computes for some folks doesn't for others. That is why we discuss on this forum. There is a lot left to the interpretation of the english language and the difference in feels. I know Tom worked with me on this out to first base and I just didn't get it. If you think about it the hands from the top are inside and do come down the plane towards first base moving in a circle/ellipse. So you can move in a circle and trace a straight plane line. Some thought has to keep the action on plane. Once tracing had been ingrained in me by ben doyle I couldn't fit in swinging towards right field. The other area where I had conflict is putting together bending of the right arm and cocking of the left wrist. Ben had taught holding on taking the right elbow deep, then he talked about straighting the right arm, "shooting" with hip action. You can hold on from the top, straighten the right arm and release later in the down swing after "centering" and sitting down. In one procedure you are delaying hip action and moving the arms, swinging past the left hip(which is meaningless to me) and in the other delay the straightening of the arm until later in the down swing and then release. TGM to me means the arm bends and the wrists cock, ie full 90 degree bend equals fully cocked , not fully bent not fully cocked. No cocking of the right wrist. Of course many successful golfers violate these rules. But I still feel Homer's "suggest" off the best chance of success for amateur's.
What I get from the Tomasello videos is an attempt to simplify TGM. Swinging down and out without regard to the target has a feel of swinging to first base. When you watch the swings Tommy makes it does not look like a swing that goes too far to the right. I do know watching his teaching has really helped me stop steering. It is a credit to this site that an aspiring TGM'r can watch Yoda, Tomasello and Doyle. Differences in teaching, but obviously all are well grounded in Homer. You can learn an awful lot from the videos in the gallery. Every time I watch them and then pick up the book, I get a lot of aha moments.
True dodger , true. Swinging to first base could help a guy who tends to cut across it to get his delivery line aligned to a square plane line. Opposites or whatever. Thats the way they used to teach golf when I was a kid. Got a slice? Here's a hook swing, kid.
But and this is a big but to my mind....without knowing the true underlying geometry you will be forever going back and forth between too much and too little of whatever your compensating move is. Why not just know the correct geometry and in the face of the common cut across path, keep THRUSTING OUT until the clubhead blur is consistent with a straight line plane line?
To my mind this is one of Homer's best messages to the hacker on the tee. But I fear sometimes the message gets lost in.... the details or whatever.
And for the record Ive goofed with T.T.'s forget the pivot just throw the arms thing ...........I'd never say its all wrong. In fact , Ive got some video of guys chopping down trees with axes, pro loggers and those guys have pivots Id kill for. With probably zero thought to having one, those guys are just throwing their arms and axe at the tree. But with Moe Norman like Pivots. I dunno.
-you need it for total compression.
-it feels like a roll. But you need to ask yourself how much of a roll. Not too much or too little. There is an Alignment that'll make this clear.
-it is the opposite of the ill founded but common , "seems as if" logic that the clubhead should remain square to the hole for a straight shot. Steering , Vertical Hinging. High floater shots resulting.
-research its Associated Basic Plane ......it'll take a while but it'll make sense , total sense in the end. Closing with no Layback it has an advantage......in a totally compressed ball.
True dodger , true. Swinging to first base could help a guy who tends to cut across it to get his delivery line aligned to a square plane line. Opposites or whatever. Thats the way they used to teach golf when I was a kid. Got a slice? Here's a hook swing, kid.
But and this is a big but to my mind....without knowing the true underlying geometry you will be forever going back and forth between too much and too little of whatever your compensating move is. Why not just know the correct geometry and in the face of the common cut across path, keep THRUSTING OUT until the clubhead blur is consistent with a straight line plane line?
To my mind this is one of Homer's best messages to the hacker on the tee. But I fear sometimes the message gets lost in.... the details or whatever.
And for the record Ive goofed with T.T.'s forget the pivot just throw the arms thing ...........I'd never say its all wrong. In fact , Ive got some video of guys chopping down trees with axes, pro loggers and those guys have pivots Id kill for. With probably zero thought to having one, those guys are just throwing their arms and axe at the tree. But with Moe Norman like Pivots. I dunno.
No disagreement O.B. Left, valid points all. I think there are different feels required to obtain the correct geometry. A thought of throw the arms while keeping the body still is really a feel, not a mechanic. My arms have always lagged behind in the swing, that feel works well for me, as does the thought of swinging down into the ground, not towards the target. However, for other golfers with the opposite tendency, those feels may not work at all.
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