JE was a trained swinger, almost pure CF. Turned to hitting as the oily CF was a daily feel thing.
Strong EA can feel like hitting into the impact zone as #3 gets loaded. But an active thrusting #1 (watched him hitting one armed, balls and impact bags so he could show me what he was powering it all with - throwing the kitchen sink at the impact zone) is what it is.
His uncocking motion comes from the straightening right elbow as opposed to CF. Bringing with it the AH.
Now just to confuse the issue, ask him to swing and he can - sweetly.
Putting....mini hit.
Chip...mini hit
Pitch...mini hit.
Daryl, you are much more knowledgeable on this topic than I, so please bare with me here.
So if I cock and turn on the backswing, undo the cock and turn on the downswing(which I agree is a swingers action). However, am using the right arm to do this,by driving on on #3 pressure point it would still be a considered a swingers action, even though it is powered by the right side.
Would this be defined as right arm swinging/ or just switting? When watching John's motion, and from what he's describing, I think he's thrusting with his right hand and arm and doing his best to push the handle in front of the club, In fact he talks about how hard he uses pressure point 3. However, I agree the cocking and roll, as well as the sequenced release wrist throw are more in line with a swingers action.
I also agree that if you unbend the right wrist coming into impact there is some throwaway, but as long as the right wrist is still bent at impact and pressure is still being applied, it may not necessarily be a bad thing. As I believe John has some slow motion pictures of him maintaining lag well past impact.
JE was a trained swinger, almost pure CF. Turned to hitting as the oily CF was a daily feel thing.
Strong EA can feel like hitting into the impact zone as #3 gets loaded. But an active thrusting #1 (watched him hitting one armed, balls and impact bags so he could show me what he was powering it all with - throwing the kitchen sink at the impact zone) is what it is.
His uncocking motion comes from the straightening right elbow as opposed to CF. Bringing with it the AH.
Now just to confuse the issue, ask him to swing and he can - sweetly.
Putting....mini hit.
Chip...mini hit
Pitch...mini hit.
I have no doubt that JE is not only one of the most knowledgeable Golfers to play the game but accomplished as well. Furthermore, I consider him as Artistic. On any given day he’s one of the Top players in the World and better at most things then most of the others.
Consider this Never Talked About concept in TGM. All Left Wrist Uncocking, with Swingers and Hitters is caused by or allowed by the straightening of the Right Elbow because of the Mandatory Bent and Level Right Wrist from Start-up to Both Arms Straight. The difference is not Thrust but the Direction of Thrust. Swingers can allow the Right Elbow to passively Straighten and thus "feel" the Left Wrist Uncock or they may Thrust On-Line and "not feel" the Left Wrist Uncock. Both are CF procedures. Hitters Thrust Cross-Line and must Actively Straighten the Right Elbow.
So if I cock and turn on the backswing, undo the cock and turn on the downswing(which I agree is a swingers action). However, am using the right arm to do this,by driving on on #3 pressure point it would still be a considered a swingers action, even though it is powered by the right side.
Would this be defined as right arm swinging/ or just switting?
In both cases the Clubshaft is being Pulled because the Right Elbow is Leading the Hands into Release.
The only purpose of Standard Wrist Action during the Backswing is to automatically align the Right Elbow in a Pitch position so that the Right Forearm leads the Clubshaft into Release (Directly Opposed to the Secondary Lever at the Top). For Hitters, Single Wrist Action Automatically Aligns the Right Elbow behind the Clubshaft at Release (Directly Opposed to the Primary Lever at the Top).
Both are Left Arm Strokes unless the Right Elbow Replaces the Left Shoulder as the Center of the Swing Radius. Only If the Right Elbow Stops moving Simultaneously Down-out-and-Forward On-Plane will you run into Right Arm Swinging.
Only If the Right Elbow Stops moving Simultaneously Down-out-and-Forward On-Plane will you run into Right Arm Swinging.
I've been gnawing on this statement and can't reconcile it.
Why is this a requirement?
Any swing center can be in motion and in most cases, the left shoulder is continually in motion around the pivot center.
If the Right Elbow Slows or changes direction by going Off-Plane or Stops, then it is no longer Lagging the Pivot Center or Left Shoulder.
Red by Daryl. Bold and Italics by HK.
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6-M-1 DOWNSTROKE SEQUENCE The Downstroke sequence of the Stroke Components is dictated essentially by Centrifugal Force; acceleration of a lagging Component will cease at the instant it achieves an “In-Line” position with its immediately preceding Component.
Centers and Accumulators can be sequenced, overlapped, omitted, emphasized, triggered, and timed as the players understanding and skill permit. But the Club’s Swing Radius (6-B-0) ends at the “non-lagging” Component nearest to the Clubhead. The “Centers” of the Stroke start with the Feet or the employed Component nearest to the feet in the following order: Knees, Hips, Shoulders, arms, Right Elbow, Left Wristcock and/or Left Hand Rotation. For maximum Power, the position of must be taken with that will allow Delay of the Release until all Components, except the Right Foot and Right Shoulder, have reached, or passed the Line-of-Site-to-the-Ball per 6-B-1-C. Then the Accumulators must move very rapidly toward their “In-Line” Position. But none should actually arrive (lose all their Lag and Drag until well after Impact. Also see 6-H-0.
Power Accumulators Release sequence is #4, #1, #2, #3 – regardless of which ones are being employed. Any Accumulator number may overlap or replace its preceding number but cannot precede it. Increase Overlap to increase THRUST – decrease Overlap to increase Velocity.
My biggest problem with Mr. Erickson's teaching is that he releases the accumulators 1-2-3-4. Pretty big sausage hanging there for a Homer Kelley fanatic, as I am striving to be...
I can overlook some things, bringing my own swing thoughts back to the book, but I enjoy Lag's philosophy on playing the game, and really enjoy his enthusiasm. Sometimes it's tough to find good, positive people to talk G.O.L.F. with outside LBG and our friends at iSeek. When trying to understand the book, Lynn Blake Golf is the place to be!
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JE was a trained swinger, almost pure CF. Turned to hitting as the oily CF was a daily feel thing.
His uncocking motion comes from the straightening right elbow as opposed to CF. Bringing with it the AH.
This makes good sense to me, Guru.
I think that along the Swinging/Hitting continuum there is a somewhat muddy middle ground. A place inhabited by confused hackers but also by G.O.L.F. ers, superlative swingers for instance who can thrust #1 just fractions before they reach the bottom of the endless belt.
Lynn when Hitting still looks very Swinger like to my eye despite his obvious thrusting right arm throw although perhaps a little more punch than than pitch elbow like your friend. I have some high speed photos somewhere.
He says he drives - I believe him. Others say he drives, I believe them too. What bothers me is the elbow location.
That pitch elbow combined with right arm "thrust" just screams Right Arm Swing to me. Textbook in my humble opinion regardless of what the other Right Arm Swing camp espouses.
A 4 barrel Hit has a swingers start down, but quickly turns into a right arm drive from behind the clubshaft.
Pitch elbow is a pull with either the left side pivot and/or right arm sidearm pitch.
Hit vs Swing tipoff can be right elbow position at the release point. A pitch elbow is always a Swing and rarely if ever a Hit due to the nature of the "pulling vs. driving" physics.
He has a late release of the power package as it gets pulled into the release point (he says with the right arm), then a bunch of right arm "thrust" (more pulling) ensues. Classic Right Arm Swing. Don't confuse the term "thrust and drive" as it is used as a "feel" statement by the player. If the right forearm is still fanning once the right elbow becomes the swing center, then it is pulling not driving.
But hey - the dude might be Hitting with a dual wrist action and a pitch elbow with a sequenced release. Good deal!
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