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What's wrong with setting the face open? Why do you think the right wrist flattens? How can he come "over the top" if he doesn't have upper body rotation?
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Dear Ugly and Stupid,
Without going into the whole hinging, clubface motion thingy- let's just say that if you set the face more open than needed- then you have to have a closing offset- the easiest of those are 1) flip, 2) over the top, 3) don't transfer weight to the lead foot- all power reducing items. So if you want to hit it out of your shadow- I'm not a fan of open faces.
The right wrist in general could flatten for a million reasons- definitely the general "off plane" motion might require it to flatten to not miss the ball. But my first few checkpoints or faults to look for would be 1) the player needs to flatten it to close the face, 2) the player is not directing the lag i.e. sweetspot to the top of the ball - but they are improperly trying to direct it where the clubface actually contacts the ball.
The over the top comment was more subtle or theoretical. Plus I didn't say or mean to say that he comes over the top- I said or meant to say that he might be loading improperly- which normally would create an over the top motion- however he compensates by standing up, which with the vertical armswing in relation to the body makes it easy to have a lot of wrist cock- which all could be compensations for the improper loading of the club.
Now, it is natural handspeed that determines the amount of release delay someone might/should have- not vica versa - so again theorizing- let's assume his natural handspeed is faster than that deep release would allow- which would leave the face open at impact- now he compensates by slowing during release- and the right wrist flattens. You can start to see the complications of the puzzle and the difficulty in properly identifying the correct cause for the perceived problem. So Bucket - are you breathing in or out on the backswing and what are your ears doing?
P.S. Bucket- I just want to make sure that we are in agreement on our contract- I get $10 for every stroke that I can increase Toolish's handicap- so if I take him from a 5 handicap to a 20 - you're going to send me $150 cash- correct?
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Frames 5,7,8 show the standing up motion- as the red marker starts on the ear in 5, and then moves away from the ball.
I think the sequences - frame by frame - will help if some one doesn't see something- it'll be easier to point out the issues by using the frames.
Also, For me- frame 8 is impact but unless I'm getting confused by the camera angle - it doesn't look like enough body rotation- the shoulders are practically square to the target- all of that is there to compensate for some "left" issue in the swing. I'd rather see Toolish's body location at impact - as it is in frame 10. But you need to not just get in a position but understand the motion that produces that position.
Finally, when you change one thing- say the right wrist doesn't flatten- then you should see the ball fly off to the right- perfect. Now, you just need to get one or more of the "block right" compensations taken out of the movement. It's not instant ball flight correction that you're looking for based on one change.
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could you explain how one works to get from impact frame 8 to an impact look frame 10? what motion would be required? This would be a faulty pivot i guess? how would you go buy explaining the required motion?
very interesting analysis bt w!
Last edited by powerdraw : 07-31-2008 at 03:10 PM.
Dear Ugly and Stupid,
Without going into the whole hinging, clubface motion thingy- let's just say that if you set the face more open than needed- then you have to have a closing offset- the easiest of those are 1) flip, 2) over the top, 3) don't transfer weight to the lead foot- all power reducing items. So if you want to hit it out of your shadow- I'm not a fan of open faces.
The right wrist in general could flatten for a million reasons- definitely the general "off plane" motion might require it to flatten to not miss the ball. But my first few checkpoints or faults to look for would be 1) the player needs to flatten it to close the face, 2) the player is not directing the lag i.e. sweetspot to the top of the ball - but they are improperly trying to direct it where the clubface actually contacts the ball.
The over the top comment was more subtle or theoretical. Plus I didn't say or mean to say that he comes over the top- I said or meant to say that he might be loading improperly- which normally would create an over the top motion- however he compensates by standing up, which with the vertical armswing in relation to the body makes it easy to have a lot of wrist cock- which all could be compensations for the improper loading of the club.
Now, it is natural handspeed that determines the amount of release delay someone might/should have- not vica versa - so again theorizing- let's assume his natural handspeed is faster than that deep release would allow- which would leave the face open at impact- now he compensates by slowing during release- and the right wrist flattens. You can start to see the complications of the puzzle and the difficulty in properly identifying the correct cause for the perceived problem. So Bucket - are you breathing in or out on the backswing and what are your ears doing?
P.S. Bucket- I just want to make sure that we are in agreement on our contract- I get $10 for every stroke that I can increase Toolish's handicap- so if I take him from a 5 handicap to a 20 - you're going to send me $150 cash- correct?
Cracksniffer,
Oh I think you are well on your way to earning the $150 . . .
How do you hit a draw if you are not a fan of open faces?
Do you think the the flattening right wrist is a symptom or the disease?
Gotta run I got Charter on the line . . . they have been knocking on a door in your neighborhood . . . . I'm trying to explain that the window on your front door ROLLS DOWN.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 07-31-2008 at 01:46 PM.
Frames 5,7,8 show the standing up motion- as the red marker starts on the ear in 5, and then moves away from the ball.
I think the sequences - frame by frame - will help if some one doesn't see something- it'll be easier to point out the issues by using the frames.
Also, For me- frame 8 is impact but unless I'm getting confused by the camera angle - it doesn't look like enough body rotation- the shoulders are practically square to the target- all of that is there to compensate for some "left" issue in the swing. I'd rather see Toolish's body location at impact - as it is in frame 10. But you need to not just get in a position but understand the motion that produces that position.
Finally, when you change one thing- say the right wrist doesn't flatten- then you should see the ball fly off to the right- perfect. Now, you just need to get one or more of the "block right" compensations taken out of the movement. It's not instant ball flight correction that you're looking for based on one change.
Bootyscratcher,
Could you please give your analysis of the head movement in the "face on" view?
Oh I think you are well on your way to earning the $150 . . .
How do you hit a draw if you are not a fan of open faces?
Do you think the the flattening right wrist is a symptom or the disease?
Gotta run I got Charter on the line . . . they have been knocking on a door in your neighborhood . . . . I'm trying to explain that the window on your front door ROLLS DOWN.
You lost me on the draw and open face dillio? Stop eating those boogers and your brain would function better!
flattening right wrist- symptom
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You lost me on the draw and open face dillio? Stop eating those boogers and your brain would function better!
flattening right wrist- symptom
If the ball leaves the face at 90 degrees to the leading edge . . . . don't it have to be open to get it to start right of the target line and draw back? Or is you hittin' pull draws?
If the ball leaves the face at 90 degrees to the leading edge . . . . don't it have to be open to get it to start right of the target line and draw back? Or is you hittin' pull draws?
What is the disease of the flat right wrist?
Boogers taste like chicken.
Your talking open in relation to the eventual "end target"- absolutely. But for a draw the leading edge would need to be closed to the clubhead path. All a little outside of my comments on Toolish.
What is the disease of the flat right wrist? I answered that in the posts above. However, if you'd a different answer- scientist now believe that eating boogers- can cause the flattening of the right wrist.
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