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Old 07-30-2008, 04:51 PM
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Is it easy to put up your frame by frame swing photo's on Toolish? I have no idea - so if it's a lot of work just let me know. It would be easier to describe for me by referencing a certain frame versus a general description of a certain location in the swing on the video.

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Old 07-30-2008, 05:24 PM
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Toolish,

Great stroke! I like the way you do not go beyond top.

It seems as though the right wrist flattens a bit at impact. Considering you seems to use a 10-9-B address, perhaps sensing the amount of right wrist bend and keeping that amount (as best as you can) until both arms straight would help.

Another observation: You seem to move off the ball a bit (a lot less than a lot of very good players, though.) Do you utilize the right forearm takeaway, or more of a shoulder turn takeaway? I am not adept at telling the difference at this point except to say that a shoulder turn takeaway CAN promote a sway, whereas a right forearm takeaway helps keep the noggin centered and stationary. Check out the pic in the gallery showing Hogan in the follow through. My pet topic right now it the right forearm's angle of approach. If you are not getting stoney compression then you are probably running out of right arm, which will lead to the right wrist bending in order to make contact.

DTL it looked like your shaft is supported by the right forearm, so a lot is done well.

You also mentioned that you come out of your posture...something I think that can be connected to a shoulder turn takeaway. My on plane right forearm simply travels around my rib cage. My shoulders are turned...they do not turn themselves. Check out David Orr's explanation of the RFT.

Be encouraged though...you have a great golf stroke!
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Old 07-30-2008, 11:06 PM
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Old 07-30-2008, 11:43 PM
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I was wondering if the good people here could take a look at this swing and let me know your thoughts.
Great swing, Toolish. Lots to learn from this action!

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Old 07-31-2008, 12:13 AM
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Old 07-31-2008, 04:14 AM
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Here you go for a Face On view.
Thanks HG! Not sure I'm going to use it now but it might help if the thread continues.

Let's start with nice swing! and move on to more valuable information- how to make it better. I'll just give you a couple of ideas of what I would look at if it was my swing- and a couple of guesses of why they might be there, then you can use or not use the information depending on how you see it. I think the value will be in reading between the lines at the approach versus any specific observation.

Naturally or consciously or subconsciously- we all make corrections based on the ball flight and a lot of times those corrections are just compensations for other faulty movements. So if we looked at your swing in regards to what items might cause you to hit it right and what items might cause you to hit it left - here's a list.

Items that may help you hit the ball to the right i.e. prevent a pull left
1) Notice the set up with the last second adjustment of the hips turning to the right
2) I can't tell but I'd guess that your clubface is slightly open - with the clubshaft leaning forward ala impact fix- the leading edge should be "closed" in relation to the shaft angle- it's easy to line up the leading edge to the shaft angle as viewed from above i.e. the player's perspective- creating an open clubface
3) On the downswing- we have the standing up the first frame or two - I would add that you may have worked on a delayed release or snap release- as this standing up actually allows you to amplify the delayed release- and it's feel - I definitely think you'll need to move away from that to improve the movement.
4) As a result of the stand up / delayed release- you have very little rotation of the lower or upper body coming into impact
5) Notice that into the follow through (you can see this on the down the line sequence better) and through to the finish- how the weight gets up on the front of the left foot - enough for the heel to come off the ground and rotate backwards? That weight on the front of the left foot is another rotation preventing move to help you not pull it.

Now what are the items that you have in the movement that want to cause you to hit the ball left- that all of the above items are compensating for?
1) Tough to see but I get the feeling that you are not really getting the right forearm and body - completely behind the loading motion of the club and therefore you're loading an over the top movement- in which the above items are used to offset.
2) While you may have worked on the delayed release to get rid of the flattening right wrist movement coming into impact - it hasn't stopped the right wrist from flattening prematurely- and that flattening of the right wrist closes the clubface prematurely- so the delayed release hasn't helped that issue.

You need to start working on putting the puzzle pieces together - by directly correcting the "left issues" and then also inconjunction - eliminating the compensating "right" issues.

Regarding item #2 of the left issues- the flattening right wrist- if you are not doing this you need to make sure that you are "trying" to contact all of your shots with the feel of the clubface contacting the ball above the equator - on a downward blow. Drive a dimple or two up from the equator- Sandwedge halfway up from the equator to the top of the ball and the rest of the clubs based on the clubshaft length- somewhere in between. You never "try" to hit the ball at or below the equator for any non-putting stroke. If you do - you'll have that wrist flattening.

Finally, on the face on video- looks like the right hand is off the club at the finish- as the club wraps around your back? Make sure that you retain the grip throughout.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:51 AM
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Toolish, you lucky bleep!
That must be a great help to you Toolish.

Very lucky to get such a critique.

I must put mine up!
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:53 AM
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Thanks HG! Not sure I'm going to use it now but it might help if the thread continues.

Let's start with nice swing! and move on to more valuable information- how to make it better. I'll just give you a couple of ideas of what I would look at if it was my swing- and a couple of guesses of why they might be there, then you can use or not use the information depending on how you see it. I think the value will be in reading between the lines at the approach versus any specific observation.

Naturally or consciously or subconsciously- we all make corrections based on the ball flight and a lot of times those corrections are just compensations for other faulty movements. So if we looked at your swing in regards to what items might cause you to hit it right and what items might cause you to hit it left - here's a list.

Items that may help you hit the ball to the right i.e. prevent a pull left
1) Notice the set up with the last second adjustment of the hips turning to the right
2) I can't tell but I'd guess that your clubface is slightly open - with the clubshaft leaning forward ala impact fix- the leading edge should be "closed" in relation to the shaft angle- it's easy to line up the leading edge to the shaft angle as viewed from above i.e. the player's perspective- creating an open clubface
3) On the downswing- we have the standing up the first frame or two - I would add that you may have worked on a delayed release or snap release- as this standing up actually allows you to amplify the delayed release- and it's feel - I definitely think you'll need to move away from that to improve the movement.
4) As a result of the stand up / delayed release- you have very little rotation of the lower or upper body coming into impact
5) Notice that into the follow through (you can see this on the down the line sequence better) and through to the finish- how the weight gets up on the front of the left foot - enough for the heel to come off the ground and rotate backwards? That weight on the front of the left foot is another rotation preventing move to help you not pull it.

Now what are the items that you have in the movement that want to cause you to hit the ball left- that all of the above items are compensating for?
1) Tough to see but I get the feeling that you are not really getting the right forearm and body - completely behind the loading motion of the club and therefore you're loading an over the top movement- in which the above items are used to offset.
2) While you may have worked on the delayed release to get rid of the flattening right wrist movement coming into impact - it hasn't stopped the right wrist from flattening prematurely- and that flattening of the right wrist closes the clubface prematurely- so the delayed release hasn't helped that issue.

You need to start working on putting the puzzle pieces together - by directly correcting the "left issues" and then also inconjunction - eliminating the compensating "right" issues.

Regarding item #2 of the left issues- the flattening right wrist- if you are not doing this you need to make sure that you are "trying" to contact all of your shots with the feel of the clubface contacting the ball above the equator - on a downward blow. Drive a dimple or two up from the equator- Sandwedge halfway up from the equator to the top of the ball and the rest of the clubs based on the clubshaft length- somewhere in between. You never "try" to hit the ball at or below the equator for any non-putting stroke. If you do - you'll have that wrist flattening.

Finally, on the face on video- looks like the right hand is off the club at the finish- as the club wraps around your back? Make sure that you retain the grip throughout.


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Thanks HG! Not sure I'm going to use it now but it might help if the thread continues.

Let's start with nice swing! and move on to more valuable information- how to make it better. I'll just give you a couple of ideas of what I would look at if it was my swing- and a couple of guesses of why they might be there, then you can use or not use the information depending on how you see it. I think the value will be in reading between the lines at the approach versus any specific observation.

Naturally or consciously or subconsciously- we all make corrections based on the ball flight and a lot of times those corrections are just compensations for other faulty movements. So if we looked at your swing in regards to what items might cause you to hit it right and what items might cause you to hit it left - here's a list.

Items that may help you hit the ball to the right i.e. prevent a pull left
1) Notice the set up with the last second adjustment of the hips turning to the right
2) I can't tell but I'd guess that your clubface is slightly open - with the clubshaft leaning forward ala impact fix- the leading edge should be "closed" in relation to the shaft angle- it's easy to line up the leading edge to the shaft angle as viewed from above i.e. the player's perspective- creating an open clubface
3) On the downswing- we have the standing up the first frame or two - I would add that you may have worked on a delayed release or snap release- as this standing up actually allows you to amplify the delayed release- and it's feel - I definitely think you'll need to move away from that to improve the movement.
4) As a result of the stand up / delayed release- you have very little rotation of the lower or upper body coming into impact
5) Notice that into the follow through (you can see this on the down the line sequence better) and through to the finish- how the weight gets up on the front of the left foot - enough for the heel to come off the ground and rotate backwards? That weight on the front of the left foot is another rotation preventing move to help you not pull it.

Now what are the items that you have in the movement that want to cause you to hit the ball left- that all of the above items are compensating for?
1) Tough to see but I get the feeling that you are not really getting the right forearm and body - completely behind the loading motion of the club and therefore you're loading an over the top movement- in which the above items are used to offset.
2) While you may have worked on the delayed release to get rid of the flattening right wrist movement coming into impact - it hasn't stopped the right wrist from flattening prematurely- and that flattening of the right wrist closes the clubface prematurely- so the delayed release hasn't helped that issue.

You need to start working on putting the puzzle pieces together - by directly correcting the "left issues" and then also inconjunction - eliminating the compensating "right" issues.

Regarding item #2 of the left issues- the flattening right wrist- if you are not doing this you need to make sure that you are "trying" to contact all of your shots with the feel of the clubface contacting the ball above the equator - on a downward blow. Drive a dimple or two up from the equator- Sandwedge halfway up from the equator to the top of the ball and the rest of the clubs based on the clubshaft length- somewhere in between. You never "try" to hit the ball at or below the equator for any non-putting stroke. If you do - you'll have that wrist flattening.

Finally, on the face on video- looks like the right hand is off the club at the finish- as the club wraps around your back? Make sure that you retain the grip throughout.
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Pretty impressive typing for having all them boogers on your key board . . . Questions on your anal . . . ysis.

What's wrong with setting the face open? Why do you think the right wrist flattens? How can he come "over the top" if he doesn't have upper body rotation?

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