That makes sense MJ .....thanks. Effective though Rolling is, its not a little bat or flipper, lever deal per say. Its more about optimal contact. Keeping the point of contact between ball and face intact "as if welded together", no slips or wobbles except for that due to club face loft.
Would you agree? If so what does that do to Hogan's "little bat" or A.J.s "da bat" ? It'd still work but not for the reasons described I guess. Interesting.
Face roll just changes the attitude of the face, I don't see how it could keep contact intact or weld the ball and face.
Ah ha! Now I understand Yoda's reference to "da bat"!
Face roll just changes the attitude of the face, I don't see how it could keep contact intact or weld the ball and face.
Ah ha! Now I understand Yoda's reference to "da bat"!
This the subject we are referring to sustaining the line of compression, if you use angled hinge it produces an uncentered motion inducing compression leakage, keeping the ball in line with it's original contact point is certainly possible! And would in effect weld the ball and face at least momentarily and not literally. I'm not sold on attitude of the face....
I admit I'm not sure if this has been addressed but why would we assume the same club head speed at separation? because this is not possible... Regardless of your assumptions to try and eliminate the variables, The factors that will provide maximum compression are....
A. Hinge action, a closing only club face (dual horizontal) will provide maximum compression whereas as vertical and angled will produce lay back therefore diverting the force losing compression comparatively
B. In order to sustain the line of compression the original contact point of face and ball must remain in contact through the entire impact interval ( which relates to hinge action) this is possible only if the motion or arc is uniform, Therefore there must be a perfectly centered action.
C. Any deceleration of the club unrelated to the slowing effect of two objects colliding. Such as bending the left wrist ( law of the flail) or any other mechanical inefficiency regardless of whether the sweetspot was hit or not will change the compression and separation speed
In other words... Hit that ball on the sweet spot with maximum separation speed by executing a horizontal hinge with a flat left wrist and a centered action
Secondly........
Please explain your reasoning. Do you mean to say that it implies that it rotates around the hosel because the handle of the baseball bat is at one end? Why does attaching a shaft to a little bat imply the face is rotating around the hosel? Does the little bat not also have a longitudinal center attached to a shaft? of course it does... If the little bat is attached to the shaft through the sweet spot then it would still be rotating around the sweetspot it's just that the hosel and sweetspot are in line
The term "bat" implies the sweetspot is given added velocity by face rotation, which doesn't happen because the sweetspot is the center of the face rotation.
The term "bat" implies the sweetspot is given added velocity by face rotation, which doesn't happen because the sweetspot is the center of the face rotation.
The word bat does not imply that to me. if the point of the bat is to show you that a closing only club face produces more compression than one that does not... it is absolutely correct! It's not adding velocity to the sweetspot but rather the golf ball ( not sure velocity is the right word) I think there is nothing wrong with the little bat attached to the shaft. The horizontal hinge is JUST like a baseball bat because baseball is on a horizontal plane! Or at least ver close to it. The bat is a closing door without the distraction of the lofted face, just as the horizontal hinge is a closing door in golf we are not on a horizontal plane thus requiring the dual horizontal hinge
Im not sure what Hogan had to say about the little bat exactly (does anyone have the Nick Seitz interview ?) or A.J. Bonar's "da bat" for that matter either (apart from what I gleaned after wading through the "golf dude in the basement" videos waiting for him to eventually cough it up.... don't say I didn't warn you if you try to find this on line. Its pretty funny but its really long).
Assuming the sweetspot does revolve around the shaft practically then the face would not be a lever I imagine. However the bit about Horizontal welding the point of contact together makes sense to me and my hands. But here's a question .... wouldn't the increased club head travel associated with Horizontal Hinging (assuming some #3 angle of course) increase the club head speed for any given hand speed?
PS If you imagine the face as a little bat you would tend to roll it ........but only Homer's Hinge Action concept has the precise alignments necessary to help you determine how much is too much or too little. But you gotta get Rhythm, gotta gotta gotta.
The word bat does not imply that to me. if the point of the bat is to show you that a closing only club face produces more compression than one that does not... it is absolutely correct! It's not adding velocity to the sweetspot but rather the golf ball ( not sure velocity is the right word) I think there is nothing wrong with the little bat attached to the shaft. The horizontal hinge is JUST like a baseball bat because baseball is on a horizontal plane! Or at least ver close to it. The bat is a closing door without the distraction of the lofted face, just as the horizontal hinge is a closing door in golf we are not on a horizontal plane thus requiring the dual horizontal hinge
The club face is the "little end" of a big bat, but that doesn't make it a little bat, unless you choked down all the way to the hosel!
Horizontal Hinging gives more compression because it eliminates the layback component of Angled Hinging.
But here's a question .... wouldn't the increased club head travel associated with Horizontal Hinging (assuming some #3 angle of course) increase the club head speed for any given hand speed? .
Yes, recall Yoda talking about Larry Nelson's "fastest move in golf" ?
Yes, recall Yoda talking about Larry Nelson's "fastest move in golf" ?
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I remember as if it were yesterday, MJ . . .
Larry Nelson was the dominant Ryder Cupper of his day (9-0 in his first two Cups) and three-times Major Champion (one of only three men to win three majors in the 1980s).
As we talked on the Atlanta CC practice tee, he balled his left and right fists in front of him -- no club and with his forearms level to the ground. Then, he turned both fists 90 degrees to the right. Finally, he twisted his balled left fist 'hard left', leaving his right wrist in place. He looked me in the eye, and said . . .
"Fastest move in golf."
He felt there was a "piece of string" between the two fists, and his object through impact was to "break the string" with his left hand.
There were no launch monitors then. Today's 'new breed' and their 'name' brands were a decade or two away. Meanwhile, great athletes were hitting great golf shots and performing 72-hole scoring miracles.
Whatever, this is what my friend Larry Nelson had to say . . .
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