Super stiffen or rooting occurs just prior to impact and sustains until impact occurs. This happen so fast you can't see it nor on video can pick this up.
The hips actually counter torque and turn back away from the target a few degrees when you super stiffen . On video you won't see this occur. When the upper body catches up with the hips and impact occurs, the hips and upper body turn through to a full finish together.
I have two slow motion videos; of Brian Gay and Greg Norman where the hips actually counter torque and turn back away from the target a few degrees before Impact. So, it's possible to witness this event on Video. I'll find them and put them up for everyone's review.
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Daryl,
In the first photo, the white is normal forces.
Yellow arrows are shear forces.
Orange is the ground reaction forces.
The black line is the direction of pressure or force.
From the photo's take notice all the way into impact how stable hogans left side is, barely moves. Hogan has an internal hip rotation.
Notice through out the swing hogans hips and shoulders are perpendicular to his spine.
In the last photo notice his hips and shoulders are square to each others. Hogan's hips and shoulder are perpendicular to his spine.
Hogan's knew how to create ground forces and super stiffen at impact (stabilize). This allowed hogan to fire his upper body and square up with his hips at impact.
Poetry in motion.
I have two slow motion videos; of Brian Gay and Greg Norman where the hips actually counter torque and turn back away from the target a few degrees before Impact. So, it's possible to witness this event on Video. I'll find them and put them up for everyone's review.
This would be great to see if you have these videos, looking forward to seeing them, with stock standard cameras you can't pick this up when you slow them down. If your breaking down a golf swing frame by frame in slow motion, supper stiffen is something you miss. Super stiffen and impact can occur between frames.
Depends on what people class as impact. I'm talking about when the ball and clubs very first contact when to ball and impact initially come in contact, or exactly moment super stiffen occurs.
Do you know what frames per second between 5000 to 10000 frames per second? Must have been captured by some very high tech gear. Or extremely lucky it occurred in sequence to frames. A very rear occasion.
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I have two slow motion videos; of Brian Gay and Greg Norman where the hips actually counter torque and turn back away from the target a few degrees before Impact. So, it's possible to witness this event on Video. I'll find them and put them up for everyone's review.
Bioengine,
Early 90's to 96 your crew worked with Greg Norman?
Sources say your crew was responsible for dramatic changes to Norman's swing in the early 90's?
In 1995 there is a article about Brian Gay working with your crew.According to sources Brian work with you crew for years.
Does Brian still get tested ?
Bioengine,
Early 90's to 96 your crew worked with Greg Norman?
Sources say your crew was responsible for dramatic changes to Norman's swing in the early 90's?
In 1995 there is a article about Brian Gay working with your crew.According to sources Brian work with you crew for years.
Does Brian still get tested ?
MPS1,
You have reliable sources for providing accurate information is all I can say, I'm not able to comment much further due to client privacy agreements.
Again even thought the team has worked with Brian in the past. Again I can't comment on Brian any further.
Edz,
So how does this help someone create grounds forces?.
If someone tried to feel if they are hitting the back of the ball with their left shoulder.
Wouldn't this promote an over the top move?
Aren't you teaching them to fire their upper body first? Instead of engaging the lower body first.
Would this also cause a lateral slide as well?
Trying to put weight on your left foot doesn't creating ground forces.
Get some pressure plates or forces plates try it and see for yourself.
No, not at all. It triggers the lower body to brace, much the same way Hogan moved. Easy to show in person.
Somewhat similar if you were to imagine throwing a sack of feed into the back of a pickup. Force moves through the body, with the legs being very involved.
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No, not at all. It triggers the lower body to brace, much the same way Hogan moved. Easy to show in person.
Somewhat similar if you were to imagine throwing a sack of feed into the back of a pickup. Force moves through the body, with the legs being very involved.
Edz,
I would like to put your theory to the test and measure to see if this would occur.
Would be very interesting to see the outcome.
Has anyone measured your theory to verify this works?
Ground reaction forces create hip rotational torque. Normal forces alone won't create hip rotational torque which your speaking about.
Is this your theory Edz and belief or has it been measured and proven it works?
I will never understand the ability of one person to say something to a computer screen they would not say to the person's face. Unreal.
Anyway. The definitions of lateral force, linear force into the ground, and sheer forces come from a mathematics and from what I know of bio-mechanics. Mr. Hogan moved his center of gravity to his left leg axis prior to the change of direction. He also used his athleticism to create forces from the ground.
My research:
Film
Angles drawn in 2 dimensional space (video)
Measurements with a micrometer
Discussions with Bio-guys at TPI seminars
People gifted in mathematics
Physics Professors at MS State
Just look at what Hogan did and explain it. It changed after the wreck and I would like anyone to explain all the complexities it involved. The pivot won the MS State Am, 4 high school state championships, and it had 3 players in USGA National championships. If all the geniuses on this page can get together and figure it ALL out we might get a USGA Champion.
So give a this redneck a break!
It is really pretty simple and John Schlee said it in "Maximum Golf." Let's get to a place we can turn from.
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