Wow, Jeff, we sure do skip rocks differently. I skipped about a million of'em into the Rhine River as a kid, and I always stepped left before I made the skip. Never once did my right arm start forward before my left foot hit the ground. For sure, I felt the pull ("adduction" in your lingo) of my right arm, but that was because my stepping left leg was doing the pulling!
The same thing happens when you step forward before you throw a ball. Look at any ball player's throwing motion: At no time will you see the arm start forward before they step. In fact, I would argue that it is still going back.
Heck, who cares about throwing, just walk around a bit, let your arms swing freely and tell me: when you're right arm has swung back, does it start forward before your right leg steps? Of course not. Again, I would argue that it is still going back.
The same thing happens in a golf swing. I cannot believe that any intelligent person would think -- much less teach -- that the motion originates any other way.
Wow....The Dividing Line above....what an excellent place to end this thread.
Remember this....Tommy was able to teach the Mental game too over 20 years ago...he had it down then.
Mr. Tomasello had way more going for him than just swing mechanics...
Happy Holidays...
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 12-02-2008 at 09:20 PM.
Yoda - you wrote-: "Wow, Jeff, we sure do skip rocks differently. I skipped about a million of'em into the Rhine River as a kid, and I always stepped left before I made the skip. Never once did my right arm start forward before my left foot hit the ground. For sure, I felt the pull ("adduction" in your lingo) of my right arm, but that was because my stepping left leg was doing the pulling! "
I fully understand your stone skipping action. I can understand why you believe that your "stepping left leg was doing the pulling." Your stepping left leg allowed your lower torso to start the throw action with a lower body rotary movement that torques the entire torso. The entire torso unwinds and pulls the right arm into action - like a baseball pitcher throwing a fast ball.
I use a different stone skipping action. I pre-place the lead leg in a forward position so that it can accept the weight transfer that will occur secondary to the initiation of the right hand throw. I then focus my mind on my right hand in preparation for the throw action. I then start the throw action with a definite "feeling" of adducting the right arm and pulling the right elbow down to the right hip area. However, before I can even move my right arm I unconscioulsy transfer weight to the lead leg so that the lower torso can move targetwards and form a base of support for my spiralling upper torso and thrusting right arm. I don't use the lower torso to pull my upper torso and right upper limb into the throw action. I move the lower torso laterally towards the target so that it can continue to effectively support my right arm throw action and rotating upper torso as a bracing support structure.
Your pivot action will result in a more powerful throw, but my action (with a primary focus on the right hand) may produce a more accurate throw.
You wrote-: "The same thing happens in a golf swing. I cannot believe that any intelligent person would think -- much less teach -- that the motion originates any other way."
I thought that HK didn't rigidly dictate how the golf swing should evolve. I thought that he was more focused on delineating all the options. For example, I have decided to describe my "reactive pivot action" in a separate thread. Don't you think that HK would have found my approach acceptable as an alternative approach that is suitable for golfers with a different set of biomechanical strengths and limitations?
Personally i have no idea how Yoda puts up with you given your cunning personal slights and degradations.
John,
I do not post messages on this site or any website to start an arguement, I'm here to seek the truth in a positive way....but really, you don't know me. And I believe the people who I have helped with TGM will see through your comments.
I'm sorry, I believe my perspective is a lot different then yours. I have yet to experience any revelations about the book with Lynn's instruction. I had over ten years with the book and read the book every day for 5 or 6 years (1991 to 1996-1997 got a lot of my questions answered with my instruction with Tom Tomasello in 1993)...I stopped reading it every day soon after I went back to school in 1996...but still read it a lot until I completed my two Engineering degrees in 2000) when Lynn came on the seen, it's been fun watching the little green man grow as an instructor.
btw....I remember when most of you were learning about the hitting stroke a few years ago....for me it was fun to watch/read/listen to your discovery....it was something I knew about...practiced and incorporated into my game over 10 years ago. I believe soon you will come to realize the genius behind Tom's decision to develop a swinging school, hitting school and advanced school to make a student a really complete...high level player/shot maker.
For me...it appears the true dividing line is the swinging stroke pattern....is it a true dividing line or is it an area in TGM that will bring together the whole TGM community....I hope it's the latter. I didn't start this thread to take sides...only to seek the truth. How could I not with a GSED who claims he knew the book better than anyone (Tomasello.crica 1987/1988 )...Tom also said he studied TGM closely with Homer for 5 years (which included hours and hours of phone conversations on audio tape). And Tommy claimed Homer became like a second father to him...I truly don't believe that Tommy deviated from Homer's instruction...
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 12-07-2008 at 12:23 PM.
I have yet to experience any revelations about the book with Lynn's instruction. I had over ten years with the book and read the book every day for 5 or 6 years (1991 to 1996-1997 got a lot of my questions answered with my instruction with Tom Tomasello in 1993)...
I didn't start this thread to take sides...only to seek the truth.
You might want to review my above Posts #9, #34, #120, #124, and #128. Maybe you missed a nugget or three.
You might want to review my above Posts #9, #34, #120, #124, and #128. Maybe you missed a nugget or three.
Can you explain the difference between Circle Delivery and Straight Line Delivery....and the concept of a small wheel and a large wheel and how they relate to the Circle and Straight Line Delivery. And also how one would execute that with their stroke pattern....swinging or hitting.
Can you explain the difference between Circle Delivery and Straight Line Delivery....and the concept of a small wheel and a large wheel and how they relate to the Circle and Straight Line Delivery. And also how one would execute that with their stroke pattern....swinging or hitting.
Yes, but why go into all those pesky facts now? Let's just enjoy the current moment and throw the club with the right arm to trigger the start of the downswing.
Yes, but why go into all those pesky facts now? Let's just enjoy the current moment and throw the club with the right arm to trigger the start of the downswing.
Sorry Yoda....that was a serious request? Might give you an opportunity to teach me something. Right or Wrong???
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 12-07-2008 at 08:21 PM.
Sorry Yoda....that was a serious request? Might give you an opportunity to teach me something. Right or Wrong???
I luv ya, DG, but having been 'round the block with you more than once or twice these past five years, I must defer. Somehow, it always results in the same ol' song. I respect that song, of course, and applaud your ability to sing it. It's just that . . .
I think we all get it now and are ready to move on.
My perspective:
Click, watch as the rotor spins the record (close-ups halfway through), then minimize -- and enjoy! -- as you contemplate on these things, then KNOW that . . .
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