For the four the years that I have been reading your posts....I've learned nothing. Zippo...
It's interesting....one minute you're saying how much you appreciate my input on this site and now you're giving me a hard time because of new information about swinging from Tommy that goes against your instruction.....talk about lack of crediblity....in my book it's the worst kind.
For the four the years that I have been reading your posts....I've learned nothing. Zippo...
DG
Dave,
You've summarized the whole problem and what everyone has been trying to tell you. Glad you finally figured it out. Don't worry too much about it - you had the same problem with Tommy. PM me when you get your next degree.
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I have seriously tried to be open-mided about DG's point of view and I have seriously tried to understand TT"s "right arm throw" action, but my understanding is handicapped by a lack of a detailed TGM-based description that is logically coherent and logically consistent.
Yoda
There is one part of TT's "right arm throw" action that I believe is practically possible - the idea of throwing the clubshaft down-and-out without a conscious pivot-driven move preceding the throw action. If it is practically possible - then I would like to understand the process better using TGM terminology and TGM mechanics/biomechanics. In a Ben Hogan style swing, the downswing action is pivot-driven, which means that the left arm moves secondary to the release of PA#4 (left arm is blasted into orbit when the pivot subsides). However, TT obviously throws the left arm downplane without using a pivot-driven release of PA#4 to move the left arm downplane. I am not implying that it's a desirable method of moving the left arm in the downswing. I merely acknowledge the fact that it is a possible method of executing a left arm swinging action and I am trying to understand it from a TGM perspective. Peter Croker also teaches a similar swing style, and I would like to better understand its strengths/weaknesses from a TGM perspective.
Dave,
You've summarized the whole problem and what everyone has been trying to tell you. Glad you finally figured it out. Don't worry too much about it - you had the same problem with Tommy. PM me when you get your next degree.
Mike....everytime I watch the Tomasello material I learn something new. The funny thing is....I am not the only one. There are a lot of forum members getting a lot out the Tomasello videos and interview. Your petty comments mean nothing to me Mike...everytime you make these silly little comments, it reminds me of the thing about Jack Nicklaus and Ben Hogan. Jack use to watch Hogan practice....Ben never watched Jack practice.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 12-02-2008 at 01:02 AM.
Mike....everytime I watch the Tomasello material I learn something new. The funny thing is....I am not the only one. There are a lot of forum members getting a lot out the Tomasello videos and interview. Your petty comments mean nothing to me Mike...everytime you make these silly little comments, it reminds me of the thing about Jack Nicklaus and Ben Hogan. Jack use to watch Hogan practice....Ben never watched Jack practice.
DG
Dave,
Petty indeed - It is just frustating to watch someone not be able to communciate their view clearly or acknowledge someone's else's view clearly -no communication - and then repeatedly say - just watch the video or read the article.
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Dave,
Petty indeed - It is just frustating to watch someone not be able to communciate their view clearly or acknowledge someone's else's view clearly -no communication - and then repeatedly say - just watch the video or read the article.
You know...as bad as you guys consider Tommy's instruction you sure give it a lot of attention. Thanks for giving me the spotlight. And I didn't even finish my bio...your loss I tell you...I believe someone in the TGM community will surface and will back Tommy's instruction. Someone will come out of the woodwork...Tommy taught too many individuals. Take for instance Coophitter...
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 12-02-2008 at 01:35 AM.
DG, would it be possible for you to edit the relevant sections of your TT videos, add in some title/description pages and post a "video argument" on youtube? ie. a video which you feel shows TT's belief / ideas ...collated from the segments which you often reference but few of us actually go back and review
I think that would allow you to demonstrate what you are trying to describe - if there is video evidence of TT not only saying what you say he said...but also demonstrating what he said he did... that might help too.
I am guessing that one bit would be the right handed arrow in Australian clip ?? The one where he makes a faster swish ??
Really, until you can post something like that...I think the post will continue to disintegrate... but with Microsoft Moviemaker...a few hours of video editing ....and you have your position visible for no cost $.
In the Case of "TGM versus DG" currently being held at Salem Court House - The facts which need to be explained are:-
For The Prosecution witnesses
Homer, for all his precision, said in 10-20-B "...usually restricted to hitting"... which ,if you take Homer as 100% precise, means that he must have had another application for this trigger. He did not say "Always restricted to hitting".
What was the other application that Homer had in mind which restricted him form stating "always restricted to hitting" ?
For the Defense witness (thats you DG!)
DG, How can you explain the video evidence which (to the best of my knowledge) always shows the pivot move before the right forearm?
From my own view, I think that you will find that the intention to move your right forearm as you describe causes an actual pivot motion which precedes your forearm motion -
ie. - in order to allow the forearm to feel like it is pulling the pivot does something first to allow your intended action (so the player feels their intention first...but the video camera sees the pivot move before the right forearm - a fact that you need to explain)
And then, once you feel you are pulling "down and out" like TT / Croker...the pivot moves in response to maintain balance.
I also think that Mike Austinites, who claim to throw from the top (but clearly have a pivot motion preceding their hands/forearms),...their feels can also be explained by this same method.... The pivot preempts the intention to move the right forearm... and then reacts to forearm motion to maintain balance.
This is the only way I can square this circle - TT did not invent a new Biomechanical/kinetic paradigm....but he did describe a new feel.
DG Unless you put up some of the video or audio evidence you claim to have viewed to support you position I do not feel further discussion is warranted. I have reviewed a video of one of TT's master classes and find nothing to support your position. It was filmed at Deer Track inside with the shades drawn, Tommy is sitting at his desk or standing in front of the windows hitting balls into a net. Lots of great stuff in video but nothing different. I would love to see and hear what you have. I do know that Alex Sloan disagreed with Tommy on several of his interpretations of Homer's book. However all of these anticdotal stories are just that, not acceptable in proving a point. We need to have Tommy's words edited, compiled and presented by you to further your argument
I also think that Mike Austinites, who claim to throw from the top (but clearly have a pivot motion preceding their hands/forearms),...their feels can also be explained by this same method.... The pivot preempts the intention to move the right forearm... and then reacts to forearm motion to maintain balance.
This is the only way I can square this circle - TT did not invent a new Biomechanical/kinetic paradigm....but he did describe a new feel.
"Hand-Controlled Pivot", anyone?
"Emphatically, Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot. That does not abolish, neglect or replace the Pivot, but it does revise its role . . . "
Dave,
You've summarized the whole problem and what everyone has been trying to tell you. Glad you finally figured it out. Don't worry too much about it - you had the same problem with Tommy. PM me when you get your next degree.
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