Here's a Yoda post from a while back that may be relevant to the Mike Austin "Biggest Lie " video.
Homer did say: From Top ....Delivery Line Uncocking Prep. Delivery Line Roll Prep. (Accent on the Roll). That is the intention although there is Delay. Stimulus Response time being what it is.
(I would've thought the "uncocking downwards" was more a Non Auto Throw..... interesting)
For those of you who havent goofed with the Left WRist Throw Im trying to describe here, take a look at Lynn's "you arent going to believe it" comment. You're missing out on something. And I think Mike Austin is touching on it.
I dunno. "TGM is all about holding on to angles" ......my Aunt Fanny.
Thanks, Brownman.
It's the advantage in communication of having a common vocabulary.
With enough detail comes understanding and confidence. The mystery of the golf swing disappears. You can quit chasing tips, start analyzing the action and be skeptical of the words.
Accelerated momentum caused by centripetal force (centrifugal inertial acceleration) is very powerful stuff reaching a ton of ft/lbs of force and feeling like 110-120 lbs in the clubhead.
It's going to overtake at the slightest slow down. You don't have to try to make the clubhead catch up with the hands. Quite the opposite, you have to keep the hands ahead of the clubhead.
What Mike is really trying to do is execute the roll into impact before the clubhead overtakes and makes it meaningless. He's afraid of leaving the clubface open with an automatic snap, same as Tom Tomasello. If you don't get to both arms straight with a suitable hinge action, you've lost your lag. And you can't make it happen. Gotta get rhythm, and it's different for swingers and hitters.
So he's straightening the right arm early, about right thigh location or entry into the release area. It could feel like pressing down on a table top like George Hibbard described it.
The amount of force he would use determines if he's adding right arm power to a swinging stroke. Homer said "You could do that, but why would you?"
But it's in the book under 2-M-3 Muscles "Only with the driver must(?) you use both Pivot Thrust and Power Package Thrust for lack of a longer club."
So a hitter would add shoulder turn (like Luke), and a swinger would add right arm. MA was a swinger.
And only with the driver. Those are 4-barrel strokes.
Direction might be a problem. And it's not the legs and hips, Tiger, et al.
Now that O.B Left has made a great find of some video, I think we've just about got Mike Austin figured out.
If he says "Throw it around the circle." right away we ask "With what?"
If the answer comes back "Whatever you got." then it's pivot, shoulders. It's likely he means no plane shifts, and a laid-off shaft.
If it's "hands" we'd have to keep in mind Homer's admonishment "No part of the power package moves independently of any other part."
That's "connection", if you will. Done with extensor action in TGM.
So it looks like a wrist throw that's been turned into non-automatic by manually triggering the roll prior to reaching the end of the hands' delivery path, the bottom part of the reverse "J" in the hands' path. i.e. automatic, almost too late, but not likely with the acceleration of the clubhead coming at it. Unreliable, though.
Mike was probably adding right arm thrust on entry to the release area.
(Have no idea what a "puck release" is. Sounds like hitting.)
Thanks Loren,great post again , here is link for"puck release"
also ,as you will see called "slap hinge".
They apparently use it ice hockey,described like ..hitting puck so hard they would try to break the ice....
scroll down page,its under hand,or wrist release section.
I think somewhere in my scribbling at the beginning,I may have mentioned that when I began to hit ala Austin,I felt as if I was vertical hinging to a degree...........turns out I was slapping like puck release.......for me,its a very interesting concept,probably not for everyday golf,but I did enjoy the length
Again,thank you Bm
By the way,thank you to innercityteacher for providing me with the link...
Yes, O.B., that one has bothered me ever since I first ran across it.
I didn't want to bother Yoda with a PM on it. Unclear on the concept.
What's the difference between that and Tomasello's right arm throw?
Yes, O.B., that one has bothered me ever since I first ran across it.
I didn't want to bother Yoda with a PM on it. Unclear on the concept.
What's the difference between that and Tomasello's right arm throw?
Perhaps Yoda will jump in here to straighten things out. Perhaps not. I highly recommend you give the Non Auto Left Wrist Throw a try though. Here's a video that might help with its Alingment to Plane . This could be Auto or Non Auto but I love the DTL point of view and that little Throw .... Great drill , maybe the best drill to my mind anyways.
Mike Austins "power throw" was right sided? Is that right? Didnt know that. If so that'd rule out the Left Wrist Throw for him. Right Arm Throw unless there's such a thing as a Right Wrist Throw (out of #2 angle)?
Heh, O.B. now you're pulling my leg.
We're not talking Gary Edwin now, and otherwise "right-sided" is a meaningless term.
Right arm throw is either a hitter or a right-arm swinger, not Mike Austin.
He didn't specify the answer the question "Throw it around the circle? With what?"
But we can see with what in his swing sequence pictures. The right shoulder.
A left arm throw? With what? The left arm is inert. The left arm throw is a shoulder throw whether you think right or left shoulder.
You can uncock the left wrist anywhere you like as long as it's on plane and it doesn't go fully uncocked, because then you're zeroing out roll power.
May as well use a palm grip in the left hand also if you do that.
The Yoda video of going down at the plane line shows nothing of any wrist action, uncocking.
Go back and read the definition of "wrist throw". It's a release trigger, not a power source.
And it has to be planned no later than Top on the downswing.
Mike Austin used a Shoulder Throw, with (right) wrist throw, non-automatic because of conscious effort to start the roll before the end of the hands' path by straightening the right arm. And that has to be started or planned for well in advance of the actual action. Whether he actually used it for additional power is moot, i.e. pushing on the inert left arm.
Furthermore, if you're not close enough to the ball so that you still have enough right arm bend to get through impact and low-point, you run out of right arm and inevitable clubhead throwaway.
I had a bit of recreational prac with it today,it was definetly feeling as if it was non-auto release due the concious effort of R/wrist "action",unsure but time will tell if it stays non-auto release or it will be automatic when the mind can settle on it one way or the other and it can be trusted.
Thank goodness we still have our "normal " swing
I had a bit of recreational prac with it today,it was definetly feeling as if it was non-auto release due the concious effort of R/wrist "action",unsure but time will tell if it stays non-auto release or it will be automatic when the mind can settle on it one way or the other and it can be trusted.
Thank goodness we still have our "normal " swing
B-T-W I sent you an e-mail Brownman.
It's not right wrist action, it's right arm straightening to induce the hands' roll.
Power from the right arm could have been used by Mike A. at the same time. Who knows?
See the response to O.B.
Well, I held my nose and went to JeffMann's site and he reminded me of something Mike Dunaway said about flippin' the left wrist precisely into impact.
With the 1-ton freight train coming into impact that is accelerated inertial momentum any thing you do with hands or wrists at that point has no or minuscule effect. And you can hurt your wrist doing that.
The roll power already being used is "the fastest move in golf" (Trolio) and has some real power of the #3 angle going for it.
We only heard it from Mike Dunaway and neither he nor Mike Austin actually did it.
So don't do it, you'll just screw up the direction control.
If you want to try an A.J. Bonar immediate Finish Swivel over the top of the ball keeping the right wrist bent, I got no problem with that.
Mark Evershed teaches it, TheDart (or PHart, familiarly) loves it and uses it in instruction.
It's the feeling of an overspin ping-pong drive, but it actually happens after impact.
If before, you'd drive the golf ball straight down into the ground, at best.
(Maybe you could get buried-lie relief.)
Dart sez "When you start hooking it you're almost home. Fix that by altering the delivery line a little right, a little more right, a little more right until the ball flight straightens up and then incrementally bring it back to square."
Loren I read one of the links above to a research paper which referred to Austins right sided throw. Not being familiar with the body of Mike Austin stuff out there I took it a's fact. Personaly a's I've previously stated I'd venture it to be a wrist throw a Left Wrist throw a's I hear him describe and illustrate it in his Biggest Lie video. Who knows though!
I believe if you look again at Lynns wrist cock and startdown waggle videos you can clearly see his throw release trigger a's being an uncorking of number two on plane down plane and at the base line followed a roll. But the trigger is uncorking. In application you could if you wish use a shoulder turn left wrist throw in combination. Further more I believe Lynn is demonatrating Sequenced Release. 2 then 3. The roll being at the bottom long after the triggering of Release. The swingers flail the swingers main concern.
I've seen Lynn walk a line of balls Melhourne style non stop motion alternating hitting and swinging. The difference in the two being heing the throw he employs .... Left wrist or Right Arm. Any reasonable golfer with educated hands could do this. Two different flails if you will. Sequnced and non. Active left wrist and active right elbow.
Thanks love talking throws with you.
I'm not pulling your leg. If you're auto snap then great if not I recommend you try this non auto left wrist throw Lynn is describing. Assuming you're a swinger of course. It called a throw and it is a throw , a throw out of #2 angle down plane and at the base line. Thowout is not throwaway. It seems like it'd promote an earlier release but with training it can get surprisingly late. All the way to Non auto Snap. The last stepping stone prior to Auto snap.......gotta adjust the aiming point to get there most likely. Can't hang on to anything .
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