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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Ok, so Im not arguing whether or not he's a swinger or whether or not he hits the ground after the golf ball.....for that matter, wasn't looking for an argument period....? If you want to break it down, then how bout one where we can at least SEE the clubface since that's the only thing I was asking feedback on...... okay?, next
Ok, so Im not arguing whether or not he's a swinger or whether or not he hits the ground after the golf ball.....for that matter, wasn't looking for an argument period....? If you want to break it down, then how bout one where we can at least SEE the clubface since that's the only thing I was asking feedback on...... okay?, next
I was trying to expand the thread and to encourage you to chime in with your observations.
I was practicing "less is more."
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
JT, a big draw with a short iron and angled would require plane line rotation wouldnt it? I see horizontal on Rory most of the time. Love his motion, it made some for some great shots. He "let the motion make the shot". Balance too, even with his driver....... crazy good given how fast he was letting it flow.
He's fast but not over accelerating. He's got Lag and Drag and Im not talking about his left wrist cock when I say this. Its good too by the way.
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Right, obviously swinging.......guess Im asking my question poorly. Let's try again - when a "swinger" like Rory appears to use significant pivot over hands and drastically reduces clubface rotation through the strike for specific clubs or shots, is he " holding" the face? Is he a temporary steerer? Changing hinge action from shot to shot?.......
Right, obviously swinging.......guess Im asking my question poorly. Let's try again - when a "swinger" like Rory appears to use significant pivot over hands and drastically reduces clubface rotation through the strike for specific clubs or shots, is he " holding" the face? Is he a temporary steerer? Changing hinge action from shot to shot?.......
Yes,a " manipulated" Hands Swinger but not necessarily Steerer unless he's affecting a Vertical Hinge and holding the face square to the hole. In a manner of speaking Vertical is intentional Steering. Well one of the three forms of Steering anyways. Only the True Swinger relies on CF alone to square the face and always via Horizontal. Imagine the shaft as made of string. No amount of hand manipulation will have any effect.
Any golfer , manipulated hands swinger , hitter worth his salt can hold off a shot.....which is hand manipulation. In Homers manner of defining things , cataloguing things he often defined the two extremes and then the middle. True swinging being one extreme and similar to a rock on a string or more correctly a clubface on the end of a string. In his experiments he made a model just like this and it displayed ......Horizontal Hinging. No face manipulation possible. Im still not sure if there is such a thing as a true swinger out there playing golf? Maybe some guys approach it, at times. I dunno.
Good stuff OB. Hard to say there isn't some intentional "steering" or "holding" the face going on with alot of these guys........especially with short shots, and especially the good ones. And yes, I agree.... I would argue that there isn't a pure swinger or hitter on tour. Some with obvious biases but no one is pushing only, pulling only, using CF only, or muscular thrust only......... IMO
Good stuff OB. Hard to say there isn't some intentional "steering" or "holding" the face going on with alot of these guys........especially with short shots, and especially the good ones
There is for sure. Homers aversion to these things was in regard to total compression. Check out the Pause Minor Basic Stroke for an application of intentional throwaway or intentional "swinging the clubhead". The photo displays Horizontal but imagine what it would look like for Vertical? You'd get the tour flop with the breaking left wrist.
Basically you can undo everything for an intentional loss of compression. A masters level of execution. And something Lynn does by the hour around his practice bunker. He scoots the clubhead under the ball and past the hands , with a flat left wrist or without and hits these little shots that go high and travel a short distance. Over and over. A shot Bobby Jones described as "cutting the legs out from underneath the ball". First you learn the flat left wrist , then you can break it if its really necessary. Of course you can flop it with a flat left wrist too, just saying everything is in play as a tool, or machine adjustment. Everything could conceivably have a possible use. One hand on the club, broken left wrist etc.
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