It's obvious that you can't add to the Pot. Keep stirring.
Clubhead maintaining it's lag through the impact interval is your statement, it's incorrect period, you need to re-educate yourself on what is really going on in the swing as it's obvious you have no clue.
Clubhead maintaining it's lag through the impact interval is your statement, it's incorrect period, you need to re-educate yourself on what is really going on in the swing as it's obvious you have no clue.
Wedgy, what is there about your posts that would lead anyone to believe you are well-intentioned.? You make a point or two and then insult and deride Daryl. There is a ton of evidence that Daryl has forgotten more about the golf swing than you or I know.
Let's just say, and I'm pretending here, that Daryl is wrong and you are right. Who are you going to convince by being mean-spirited? If you are convinced you are correct, why not try to help us all see it with a thoughtful presentation.
Maybe you, OB, and Daryl are all correct but using different terms and seeing things from different perspectives.
What makes you think you have the weight to slam another human being?
Now, people get short tempered as we all know, including me, and including Daryl. But responding with the same mistake helps nothing.
That's it for you! I want you to apologize to Daryl and shake hands in a mature fashion. OB, you are to be punished by watching the press conference announcement that Roy Halliday was traded to the Philadelphia Phillies by the Toronto Blue Jays. Daryl, your punishment is to watch replays of Jay Cutler mope around the sideline, yesterday, and that fool interfere with the foul ball that cost the Cubs a trip to the Series.
Wedgie, I don't know anything about you, yet, but we will be gathering data with which to hurt your feelings, slowly. I think we can start by having you read all my posts!
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 01-24-2011 at 08:57 PM.
Lessee - Yoda has asked to keep it civil, others would like to keep it civil.
I'll ask Daryl and Wedgie as well. If ya can't, I guess you'll have to put each other on ignore. But it would be nice to have you participate.
Differing opinions are welcome, but we have to change the tone. Internet communications are one of the worst. I think tin cans and strings would be more effective. Its impossible to know the "attitude" behind posts. It's why we have the smiley guys.
Carry on.
BTW, check out the lag and shaft bend on my smiley golf guy.
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Lessee - Yoda has asked to keep it civil, others would like to keep it civil.
I'll ask Daryl and Wedgie as well. If ya can't, I guess you'll have to put each other on ignore. But it would be nice to have you participate.
Differing opinions are welcome, but we have to change the tone. Internet communications are one of the worst. I think tin cans and strings would be more effective. Its impossible to know the "attitude" behind posts. It's why we have the smiley guys.
Carry on.
BTW, check out the lag and shaft bend on my smiley golf guy.
I'm on board and that smiley guy is out of control does he ever get tired...lol.
"The prestressed Clubshaft will resist the weight of the ball during impact, instead of cushioning the impact with an unstressed clubshaft".
If he is referring to the Hogan type inward shaft lean, that is a peculiar way to phrase it.
On the other hand, the lag pressure remains throughout the swing, indicating it is present even when the club ultimately passes the hands and ,therefore, through the various shaft flex points. And 7-11, states clubhead lag deals exclusively with sweet spot plane. So, lag pressure and shaft flex are different animals.
I think the cushioning is probably was happens most of the time. Have you ever hit a drive flush and had the sensation that the ball stayed on the face a little longer than usual? I think that sensation might be a result of the forward stressed shaft hitting the ball and bending the shaft back into a lagging clubhead orientation.
It might also be possible for an extremely strong individual to load the shaft in such a way with a particular acceleration profile so that the shaft never bends toward the target before impact.
There is some great information here in this thread - Don't miss that Wedgy. Those of us that believe in lag have a reason. We have seen it, we feel it and we know it works. Whether or not the shaft deflects in that fashion is probably not a helpful fact to hitting a golf ball. Now I would like the forums opinion as to whether swingin a club head on a rope would produce a similar deflection or swinging a "Whippy" club. I would have a hard time believing my "whippy" club shaft deflects in that manner......and I don't care. Now looking at the ball "line of sight" does the club head or hands get to the ball first? Wedgy are you saying the clubhead get ahead of the hands and arrives simultanously or head of the ball. Does the clubhead move ahead and then bet behind in the milliseconds before impact. Wedgy consider how many successful strikers of the ball believe in lag. it is a priniciple right or wrong that works - just like TGM literalism works for me. Just as science can interfere with treating patients I feel it can interfere with understanding and performing good golf swings
Wedgy, what is there about your posts that would lead anyone to believe you are well-intentioned.? You make a point or two and then insult and deride Daryl. There is a ton of evidence that Daryl has forgotten more about the golf swing than you or I know.
Let's just say, and I'm pretending here, that Daryl is wrong and you are right. who are you going to convince by being mean-spirited? If you are convinced you are correct, why not try to help us all see it with a thoughtful presentation.
Maybe you, OB, and Daryl are all correct but using different terms and seeing things from different perspectives.
What makes you think you have the weight to slam another human being?
If you had the gravitas, you'd have the thoughtfulness to bring someone else to the light.
Now, people get short tempered as we all know, including me, and including Daryl. But responding with the same mistake helps nothing.
ICT
If you go back and read the posts it was Daryl who insulted me first by calling me an idiot and a dweeb etc. so i responded in kind i will defend myself from uncalled for insults, instead of discussing this statement of his and explaining with credible proof or providing his reason in this belief he just attacked with insults, hardly a way to treat another human being wouldn't you agree, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
If you go back and read the posts it was Daryl who insulted me first by calling me an idiot and a dweeb etc. so i responded in kind i will defend myself from uncalled for insults, instead of discussing this statement of his and explaining with credible proof or providing his reason in this belief he just attacked with insults, hardly a way to treat another human being wouldn't you agree, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
The dog had to go out and took 30 minutes to do her business. I meant to put the funnier stuff in but got side-tracked. Don't get upset. I think you'll find my edit funnier. Good luck!
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 01-24-2011 at 09:03 PM.
Daryl brings up a good question. Namely, how do we regard this quote below in the light of Lynn's story about Homer discussing the forward bending shaft seen in Release.
And what about the Drag Loader who Rotates his Lag Pressure Point (knuckle to first joint) what are the implications to shaft bend? Two different bends , one for longitudinal (knuckle) one for radial (first joint)? That'd make sense. Does constant lag pressure really mean constant bend, no kick?
A Drive Loader who accelerates Radially would only bend it one way ,not including toe down, maybe?
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6-C-2-A THE ESSENCE of Clubhead Lag technique is that it is always both Aiming AND Thrust. Passive – it is primarily Aiming the Lag Pressure. Active – it is the primarily Thrusting the Lag Pressure Point. The Orbiting Clubhead does not seek out the Ball – it seeks out the Delivery Line. But never directly – only via the Right Forearm and the #3 Pressure Point per 2-F, 5-0 and 7-3. It is guided along that Line to the Both Arms Straight configuration by the straight line thrust of the #3 Pressure Point toward the Angle of Approach quadrant of the Ball – or Aiming Point – per 1-F, 1-L-9/10, 2-J-3 and 6-E-2.
The Clubshaft is stressed by the weight of the Clubhead resisting a change in its direction or velocity – which is Acceleration. Acceleration bends the Clubshaft during Radial Acceleration (10-19-A). Change of direction bends it during Longitudinal Acceleration (10-19-C) which may be, or just include, the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point in addition to its main function of Acceleration Control. From Putter to Driver, the Clubhead Lag technique is indispensable.
If the Pressure Point pressure that produced the initial Clubshaft flex is maintained it will maintain the flex also. So the pressure will be a steady smooth Thrust form the entire Power Package Assembly, and will produce a constant rate of acceleration of the Primary Lever Assembly. If the Pivot moves the Right Shoulder at the same speed as the Power Package – or Primary Lever Assembly – the Accumulators will not be Released by this action until the Right Elbow can straighten. Even then the Clubhead Lag is still maintained – it has NO Release Point. Establish a “normal” Right Wrist Bend for Release – either frozen at some point, or moving from Maximum to Minimum Bend as the Ball Location is moved away from Low Point and/or the Basic Stroke changes the Elbow location (10-3) – because the Right Wrist Bend, along with Ball Location and Plane Angle determine the precise RIGHT FOREARM ANGLE OF APPROACH (7-3).
and that smiley guy is out of control does he ever get tired...lol.
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