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Old 12-30-2010, 05:00 PM
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Hmm? I drew an almost perfect circle. Then overlayed the Hand Path Plots, then revolved the circle using a 3D tool.




this is the circle



But you cant overlay a perfect circle on to his Hand Path if he's shifting planes.

Plot the Hands Path here in this video through 3D space and you'll see what Henry Cotton referred to as "My Picasso". Beautiful curves but not suitable for covering or as a guide line when you can merely use the ever constant Straight Line , Plane Line.

See also DELIVERY PATHS 10-23-B ANGLED LINE.

"This pattern is used with the Plane Angle Variations that include a shift to (or back to) the Elbow Plane during the Downstroke.

From the Top-of -the-Straight-Line hand position the Hands take a nearly vertical path to the Plane of the Elbow Angle before they start their drive directly at and through the Aiming Point (2-J-3)"

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Old 12-30-2010, 05:43 PM
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Fowlers left wrist is fully uncocked rigth after impact. Left arm and clubshaft is on the same plane basically. Combined with dual horizontal hinge a very quick swivel action into and past impact is needed. In theory almost infinitely quick. And together with it, a very quick and early overtaking is the only sensible consequence.

With a level impact left wrist and even a little wrist cock intact the overtaking will be much more gradual and this is the case with Hogan and Palmer.
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
But you cant overlay a perfect circle on to his Hand Path if he's shifting planes.
You can if you start from after the Shift. I only had to ignore two frames at startdown. The red dot on his left shoulder is his hand location at the third frame from the Top during the downstroke.

The guy swings On-Plane.
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Old 12-30-2010, 06:31 PM
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On the swing I used - the Power Golf swing - we look almost straight down the target line. The clubshaft is parallel to, and above the impact shaft plane in the down stroke and follow thru. The shaft stays close to parallel throughout. At the same time it seems clear that his hand path is outside-in

On the 5 lessons swing we have a bit different perspective. We look at the swing from behind and from outside the target line. The hand path seems to be straight down our view line. Camera position seem to be very close to the hand path plane through impact. The clubhead seems to be close to on-plane after transition and through impact, but then it raises high above it. The hand path is however above the clubhead plane after transition and then moves below it at and just past impact.

The down the line view in power golf seems to be more looking at the plane of the clubhead while the crossline view of the 5 lessons swing seem to be better aligned with the plane of his hand path.

I don't think this boils down to planar circles.
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:46 PM
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Hand Paths for shifters .....
Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
You can if you start from after the Shift. I only had to ignore two frames at startdown. The red dot on his left shoulder is his hand location at the third frame from the Top during the downstroke.

The guy swings On-Plane.
OK but then you shouldnt have closed the circle at the top maybe? A smilie face during Elbow Plane would be 2D, planar. Or you draw the Angles, like Homer did in 10-23...... Hogan didnt shift much though in terms of degrees...................but just saying.

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Old 12-30-2010, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BerntR View Post
I don't think this boils down to planar circles.
Stay outa this , BerntR this aint your fight.

Its ratings week and Daryl and I are trying to "move the needle" with a good old fashioned dust up.

You know like Jen and Angelina..............which is how this all started in the first place.............. Daryl wants to be Angelina but I shoty'd her first.
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:09 PM
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I didn't start this. Bucket did.
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:12 PM
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Now where are the "mad viking smilies" when I need them. Guess I'll have to settle for this cindirella instead ....



I think Daryl is close. The guy swings on plane.... almost. All his three planes are really close.
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
I didn't start this. Bucket did.
Bucket shoty'd Angelina? I just assumed he was Jen again.

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Old 12-30-2010, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
The thing about this photo that makes it really look off is his footline which shouldnt be assumed to be an indicator of where the Plane Line is. Foot line and Plane Line are not one and the same. Another possibility is a fade shot perhaps. Not saying Hogan didnt get laid off , he did sometimes...
The footline looks like he'd be pointing at the gallery or at least the dude standing down to the right...
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