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Old 01-06-2011, 12:07 AM
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First of all, the RFFW is only on plane for an instance. It is under plane back and down, at plane through impact and then over plane.
I don't completely understand what you're getting at, but the RFFW is On Plane anytime that the Clubshaft is On Plane while the intact Wedge is at 90 degrees to the Left Arm Wedge. The RFFW is a single structure. Pretty simple to grasp. But the Right Forearm specifically (from elbow to #3 PP) would be On Plane only at Impact or as much as the Right Shoulder may additionally allow. The Elbow Plane allows the Right Forearm to be on the Plane from Release to Impact and maybe beyond if the Right Shoulder and Elbow bend allow.

If the Right Forearm doesn't return to the Angle of Approach, then a compensation is needed. No big deal really, some do and some don't. My only opinion is that if the Right Forearm returns to the correct angle of Approach, I think the Golfer has a better chance of developing and maintaining consistency and I really think it's needed to achieve the kind of compression you want.

As far as Swinging Left, or feeling like you're swinging left, I couldn't agree more.
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Old 01-06-2011, 12:18 AM
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I think a lot of the CP arguments against TGM is based on a biased TGM interpretation and not necessarily valid for TGM in general.
I agree, BerntR.

The same is true of most arguments "against" Homer Kelley and his work. Here's the way the fraud goes down:

A perpetrator establishes the "strawman" argument, i.e., a misrepresentation of The Golfing Machine. He then proceeds to attack it, in one or more of at least five creative ways, and thereby "wins" the battle -- at least in his own mind (and perhaps in the minds of his followers). His argument is fallacious, of course, because only the misrepresentation is being attacked, not the actual work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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Old 01-06-2011, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
But the Right Forearm specifically (from elbow to #3 PP) would be On Plane only at Impact or as much as the Right Shoulder may additionally allow. The Elbow Plane allows the Right Forearm to be on the Plane from Release to Impact and maybe beyond if the Right Shoulder and Elbow bend allow.
Seems like we had a semantic argument here but basically agree on content. When I speak of the plane of the RFFW I speak of the plane that the clubshaft and the forearm is on. Is that an incorrect use of the term?

I think this has been a great discussion so far. The last pages has IMO taken it to new heights.
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Here's another mapped Sweet Spot...
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:58 PM
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Cool. His hand path traces the clubhead after impact. But not in the down stroke.

U not interested in the hand path, Dr Skywalker?
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Cool. His hand path traces the clubhead after impact. But not in the down stroke.

U not interested in the hand path, Dr Skywalker?
I'm much more inclined to monitor and favor a single Plane for the travel of the Sweet Spot.
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I'm much more inclined to monitor and favor a single Plane for the travel of the Sweet Spot.
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Old 01-10-2011, 02:39 AM
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The Single Plane Swing
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I'm much more inclined to monitor and favor a single Plane for the travel of the Sweet Spot.

[Bold emphasis by Yoda.]
One Plane Swing.

Two Plane Swing.

Single Plane Swing (with its Variations).

Hmmm . . .

More on January 24th at The Summit.

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Is Hitting the ball as easy as sighting the left arm on the BLP??
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One Plane Swing.

Two Plane Swing.

Single Plane Swing (with its Variations).

Hmmm . . .

More on January 24th at The Summit.

...aiming at the BLP by sighting his left arm and driving his right shoulder, like using a scope rifle?

Is it that simple on the Elbow Plane for a Hitter?

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n 2-H, Homer writes about the direction of the Right Shoulder:

"But the Shoulders do have crucial On Plane functions – synchronizing and aligning the Pivot Motion and Thrust with those of the Power Package (Chapter 6). “On Plane” Right Shoulder Motion is possible only by titling its axis – the spine. See 7-14. In this area the Left Shoulder is helpless. The geometry of Shoulder Control deals only with Right Shoulder, for there are no guide lines for Left Shoulder control of the Right Shoulder. Therefore, variations in Right Shoulder location will vary the Left Shoulder location at Impact and, consequently, the Low Point location as well as the Angle of Approach (2-N).
MY BOLD EMPHASIS.

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Old 01-11-2011, 12:20 AM
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Thanks for this, O.B.

In the Start Down, the Right Shoulder Acceleration is actuated by the Hip Turn. This Hip Turn -- with its Action -- is more than mere Motion. In fact, it does the work that throws the Right Shoulder (and with it, the entire Power Package) into Release.

Motion permits but causes nothing.

Work actuates and causes everything.

Arnie definitely pulled the Club from the Top.

Then, from Release, he drove it through Impact and Follow-Through.



Case you missed it this is for your LBG or Arnie file. Arnie used a Swingers Start down, drag loading then hit the heck out of it.

Id venture that the physics of his thrusting revealed itself in his Release......something that should be looked at when considering whether or not Hogan thrusted. Hey you know those high speed photosonics photos Hogan did with Time .....where he's standing in an elevated sand box........wonder if that was film or stills. If its film ....high speed we could see if his release was sequenced or overlapping , figure out if he was thrusting against the aft or not. Just saying.....the physics of thrusting or dragging reveals itself in many ways but you gotta have high speed film to see it. Even then its hard to see with some, like yoda when he's hitting.

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