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12 piece bucket 12-22-2010 01:20 PM

Hogan Right Shoulder Motion Elbow Plane Hitter
 
I see Launching Pad here . . . . I gotta go on a patented 2 hour lunch break . . . but I'll have more to say about this . . . I see the right shoulder motion supporting the motion of the primary lever and being a backstop for #1? Tip of Right Shoulder to pocket above left elbow joint . . . this is something that Eddie Cox has told me about numerous times . . . just now starting to see it . . . . good stuff . . . Even though the right shoulder is working down and out . . . it is still working ON TOP of the left arm Primary Lever . . . NOT UNDER NEATH IT . . . still tilting the tea cup but not shifting the plane . . . ultimate efficiency.










chipingguru 12-22-2010 01:33 PM

Amazing how the man was able to do it without a trackman!

innercityteacher 12-22-2010 01:39 PM

Lol!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chipingguru (Post 80134)
Amazing how the man was able to do it without a trackman!

Makes you wonder about the Pyramids, Notre Dame, and Lighthouse of Alexandria, too! :golfer3:

Of course, we invented the Bullseye putter so that's something, I guess! :golfing_banana:


ICT

BerntR 12-22-2010 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 80132)
Even though the right shoulder is working down and out . . . it is still working ON TOP of the left arm Primary Lever . . . NOT UNDER NEATH IT . . . still tilting the tea cup but not shifting the plane . . . ultimate efficiency.

Interesting stuff!

The right shoulder motion drives the hands down underneath the shoulders own path. Notice how steep his hand path is initially. Also notice that his right shoulder is almost straight above his hands. So if all he does with his right arm is push (as in extencior action or threecep drive loading), he is pushing the hands on an very steep plane. This plane could be drawn as a line straight from his right shoulder and through his pp#1.

There are opposing forces at work here. The force from his left shoulder will be pulling on a more shallow path than the right shoulder is pushing. And it all adds up to a hand path that is nevertheless much steeper than the inclined plane that the secondary assembly lever impacts the ball on. And as the right arm straightens, the push force from the right shoulder will gradually change it's inclination towards flatter.

The secondary assembly lever gets trapped underneath his shoulder turn and he can turn his shoulder hard on a plane that hovers above the ball, yet strike the ball with the sweet spot.

KevCarter 12-22-2010 02:25 PM

I don't understand the Yellow Book or Mr. Hogan's swing as well as you guys, but I think our man BUCKET is really onto something here!

Kevin

chipingguru 12-22-2010 02:43 PM

I think I heard Yoda on one of his videos that the idea of dropping the right shoulder way down to induce the hip action is a "perverted attempt" at proper zone one action.

I wonder if this is what he was referring to.

KevCarter 12-22-2010 02:49 PM

Good memory Chipinguru!

I remember that as well. I think he was referring to dropping the right shoulder creating more axis tilt at start down. I think this new theory of Mr. Bucket is Mr. Hogan's prescription to cure that very problem. This idea - alignment - "feel" would help you stay on top of the ball the way YODA does. Purely my opinion... I hope YODA jumps in to give us the blessing before I go ALL IN!

Kevin

BerntR 12-22-2010 02:51 PM

I don't think Yoda was referring to Mr Hogan. Hogan drops his shoulder in the pictures above. But not excessively.

KevCarter 12-22-2010 02:53 PM

Another thing I notice from 12 Pieces pictures. Hogan holds the #2 and #3 PA angles for a long time, we all knew that. But it looks to me like he starts releasing #4 and #1 early and incrementally. Holding them too long would make these alignments impossible, again, in my opinion. I believe there is an awful lot to learn in this and the Tear My Swing apart threads.

Sequencing. 4-1------2-3

Thanks BUCKET!

Kevin

chipingguru 12-22-2010 03:04 PM

Look how far the dang club moves from the Fourth to fifth photo, and how little the hands do. The hips open up significantly between those two intervals too.

Magnificent.


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