Hogan Right Shoulder Motion Elbow Plane Hitter

[O.B.Left]

I see Launching Pad here . . . . I gotta go on a patented 2 hour lunch break . . . but I'll have more to say about this . . . I see the right shoulder motion supporting the motion of the primary lever and being a backstop for #1? Tip of Right Shoulder to pocket above left elbow joint . . . this is something that Eddie Cox has told me about numerous times . . . just now starting to see it . . . . good stuff . . . Even though the right shoulder is working down and out . . . it is still working ON TOP of the left arm Primary Lever . . . NOT UNDER NEATH IT . . . still tilting the tea cup but not shifting the plane . . . ultimate efficiency.

Back to post one . The yellow line attached to the right shoulder. It points more out in startdown then more down later on........ Is that significant or am I off topic again.

Bucket Im truly interested in "where you coming from" so lay it on the line, baby.
No harm no fowl......no chicken wing, no sheep, no whatever. Im in.

That last photo sure looks like he's going to .........CP, or swing left or .........Angled hinge on the elbow plane, whatever. Im throwing around terms that I really dont understand here. ..........cept for the last bit maybe.

[O.B.Left]

Here's what I consider to be Launching Pad..........like i said earlier but this is just me.......right shoulder kinda hangs back. Although 4B it would go through more.

You'd tend to think Arnie was 4B given all the effort etc but upon looking at this sequence? I dunno . Look at how little his right shoulder moves from frame 8 to Both Arms Straight, frame 10. Launching pad or what? So was his shoulder move in Startdown Motion or Work?

Did he load the Knuckle ?......no way especially given his "literally flat , geometrically arched" left Hand at Top. First joint index finger for sure Id say. But......

Maybe Yoda, who is a huge Arnie aficionado would have a more learned opinion. Actually I know he would.

This man was a King.

[Yoda]

Arnie . . .

. . . was his shoulder move in Startdown Motion or Work?

Thanks for this, O.B.

In the Start Down, the Right Shoulder Acceleration is actuated by the Hip Turn. This Hip Turn -- with its Action -- is more than mere Motion. In fact, it does the work that throws the Right Shoulder (and with it, the entire Power Package) into Release.

Motion permits but causes nothing.

Work actuates and causes everything.

Arnie definitely pulled the Club from the Top.

Then, from Release, he drove it through Impact and Follow-Through.

[O.B.Left]

Thanks for this, O.B.

In the Start Down, the Right Shoulder Acceleration is actuated by the Hip Turn. This Hip Turn -- with its Action -- is more than mere Motion. In fact, it does the work that throws the Right Shoulder (and with it, the entire Power Package) into Release.

Motion permits but causes nothing.

Work actuates and causes everything.

Arnie definitely pulled the Club from the Top.

Then, from Release, he drove it through Impact and Follow-Through.

"pulled then drove" Swingers startdown Drag, then Drive.


So we're looking at 4B with Arnie there is that right? Shoulder Work?

Perhaps we're discussing the quick flip of the hips versus the slow startdown? So when I see a rather static right shoulder positon from Release to Both Arms Straight am I wrongly assuming Shoulder motion from Top to Release , 3B ?


So , even for Drag then Drive 4B , there can still be a rather static "launching pad" right shoulder? Is that right?

Or maybe the Right Shoulder is rather, somewhat static from Release to Both ARm straight for swingers and hitter alike .....somewhat. This is something Ive been looking at. Homer did say after all, that the swinging or hitting the right arm is always driving.......

[O.B.Left]

Thanks for this, O.B.

In the Start Down, the Right Shoulder Acceleration is actuated by the Hip Turn. This Hip Turn -- with its Action -- is more than mere Motion. In fact, it does the work that throws the Right Shoulder (and with it, the entire Power Package) into Release.

Motion permits but causes nothing.

Work actuates and causes everything.

Arnie definitely pulled the Club from the Top.

Then, from Release, he drove it through Impact and Follow-Through.

Case you missed it this is for your LBG or Arnie file. Arnie used a Swingers Start down, drag loading then hit the heck out of it.

Id venture that the physics of his thrusting revealed itself in his Release......something that should be looked at when considering whether or not Hogan thrusted. Hey you know those high speed photosonics photos Hogan did with Time .....where he's standing in an elevated sand box........wonder if that was film or stills. If its film ....high speed we could see if his release was sequenced or overlapping , figure out if he was thrusting against the aft or not. Just saying.....the physics of thrusting or dragging reveals itself in many ways but you gotta have high speed film to see it. Even then its hard to see with some, like yoda when he's hitting.

[12 piece bucket]

Here's what I consider to be Launching Pad..........like i said earlier but this is just me.......right shoulder kinda hangs back. Although 4B it would go through more.

You'd tend to think Arnie was 4B given all the effort etc but upon looking at this sequence? I dunno . Look at how little his right shoulder moves from frame 8 to Both Arms Straight, frame 10. Launching pad or what? So was his shoulder move in Startdown Motion or Work?

Did he load the Knuckle ?......no way especially given his "literally flat , geometrically arched" left Hand at Top. First joint index finger for sure Id say. But......

Maybe Yoda, who is a huge Arnie aficionado would have a more learned opinion. Actually I know he would.

This man was a King.

There are some pretty distinct similarities in the shoulder motions . . . but the hips do considerably different things LATE . .

Have a look . . .










Right shoulder stays pretty high and works out.

[12 piece bucket]

Compare the hip motion . . .

[12 piece bucket]

Back to post one . The yellow line attached to the right shoulder. It points more out in startdown then more down later on........ Is that significant or am I off topic again.

Bucket Im truly interested in "where you coming from" so lay it on the line, baby.
No harm no fowl......no chicken wing, no sheep, no whatever. Im in.

That last photo sure looks like he's going to .........CP, or swing left or .........Angled hinge on the elbow plane, whatever. Im throwing around terms that I really dont understand here. ..........cept for the last bit maybe.

Sure . . . to you first point . . . pointing more out at startdown . . . could just be the way I drew the lines. Not too precise. I was just trying to illustrate the tip of the right shoulder working on top of the left arm . . .

However . . you are correct it does in fact point more "out". Hogan tended to "lay the shaft down" at start down. So it's "super flat and off plane-ish"





Then he steepens it out . . .

[12 piece bucket]

That last photo sure looks like he's going to .........CP, or swing left or .........Angled hinge on the elbow plane, whatever. Im throwing around terms that I really dont understand here. ..........cept for the last bit maybe.

Have a look at this . . . Palmer turned his shoulders as steep as anybody ever . . . this is a DRIVER . . .









I think you'll find that Palmer actually exits LOWER than Hogan . . . due to the fact that he doesn't continue to release his hips forward and up . . . which would raise the shaft up more . . . staying bent over is going to make the club exit lower . . . but the club ain't working out away from him.

[Daryl]

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