Question for Mike O.

[O.B.Left]

If you really want an answer to "Why not?" let me know. Wasn't sure you really wanted an answer to your question.

P.S. Drew, I lit it up at Falmouth Country Club today

No Im interested and it is on Topic for a change, which would be kind of new for you.......talk about biting the hand that is about to feed you.........sorry Mike.

So negative loft is only usable for a pure swing procedure? Can you start by describing a true swing for putting.

Thanks for this.

Ob

[Mike O]

No Im interested and it is on Topic for a change, which would be kind of new for you.......talk about biting the hand that is about to feed you.........sorry Mike.

So negative loft is only usable for a pure swing procedure?
No that's not correct. You could use a negative loft putter for any procedure if you wanted. I said IF you used a TRUE swinging procedure - in order to effectively strike the putt at the target and start it rolling with overspin - you'd need a reverse lofted putter. Of course, when Mr. Kelley would say something like that he was assuming that you didn't have any hookface built into the golf club- putter, iron, etc. Anything that makes the sweetspot (longitudinal center of gravity at the point it passes through the clubhead) move back - away from the target(from the viewpoint of a helicopter)- putting the center of gravity behind the shaft, creates a situation where the true swinger- putter, iron, driver, doesn't matter- would have a hookface clubface and therefore wouldn't have the clubface facing the target at lowpoint. Because the true swinger allows the automatic alignment of the sweetspot with the pulling force, which dictates the clubface alignment depending on the amount of hookface "built" into the club.

Can you start by describing a true swing for putting.
I need to make a Wal-Mart run before I make my trip to North Carolina- duct tape, rope, eight car batteries - I'll post to this when I get back later tonight.

Thanks for this.

Ob

See above - in red

[O.B.Left]

Thanks Mike.

But please elaborate if you feel so inclined when you get more time. Homers three putters, negative loft, hinge actions. I know that is a big topic. But if you got it please share it.

[Mike O]

Thanks Mike.

But please elaborate if you feel so inclined when you get more time. Homers three putters, negative loft, hinge actions. I know that is a big topic. But if you got it please share it.

I updated post #20 -

P.S. Bucket is a booger head His swing has no lower body action Next I will have his head

[O.B.Left]

Thanks Mike.

My friends damnable ability to hole out from anywhere on any surface has made me wonder about negative loft. He positions the ball at or near low point id say, hits it above the equator, his putter head somewhat hovered at address, his left hand fully un cocked so it looks high , arched, his wedges set, his right shoulder powers it all but on a very flat plane. He gathers up the lag in his #3 and sustains it all the way through. He doest think about weight at all ahead of time, he just steps up to it, hangs his wedges, takes a little practice swing to feel some lag collect, not even the right amount of lag, and then away he goes. An intuitive application of lag pressure. He likens it to tossing paper balls into a waste paper basket. It seems more horizontal hinging than angled. Ill have to look more closely. A hook faced old Ping Anser, a ton of deloft and a little chuckle to himself.

We play in a local muny club championship every year. I'm normally in total shock on the super slow and bumpy greens. He on the other hand is just chuckling to himself. Draino. "Yes, sir! Chuckle chuckle"

Have you got room in your freezer for one more?

[Mike O]

Thanks Mike.

My friends damnable ability to hole out from anywhere on any surface has made me wonder about negative loft. He positions the ball at or near low point id say, hits it above the equator, his putter head somewhat hovered at address, his left hand fully un cocked so it looks high , arched, his wedges set, his right shoulder powers it all but on a very flat plane. He gathers up the lag in his #3 and sustains it all the way through. He doest think about weight at all ahead of time, he just steps up to it, hangs his wedges, takes a little practice swing to feel some lag collect, not even the right amount of lag, and then away he goes. An intuitive application of lag pressure. He likens it to tossing paper balls into a waste paper basket. It seems more horizontal hinging than angled. Ill have to look more closely. A hook faced old Ping Anser, a ton of deloft and a little chuckle to himself.

We play in a local muny club championship every year. I'm normally in total shock on the super slow and bumpy greens. He on the other hand is just chuckling to himself. Draino. "Yes, sir! Chuckle chuckle"

Have you got room in your freezer for one more?

I see what's going on now- word is out that my putting sucks- and you're trying to bait me on a new technique- that is kind of you but since my putting is so bad I tried to switch to your friends stroke a couple of posts ago - haven't made it yet but I am up to 22 putter shafts broken in the effort to add significant deloft- only 87 putters to go in the barn. Let us know how you end up delofting your putter and how it works for you

[Mike O]

Thanks Mike.

My friends damnable ability to hole out from anywhere on any surface has made me wonder about negative loft. He positions the ball at or near low point id say, hits it above the equator, his putter head somewhat hovered at address, his left hand fully un cocked so it looks high , arched, his wedges set, his right shoulder powers it all but on a very flat plane. He gathers up the lag in his #3 and sustains it all the way through. He doest think about weight at all ahead of time, he just steps up to it, hangs his wedges, takes a little practice swing to feel some lag collect, not even the right amount of lag, and then away he goes. An intuitive application of lag pressure. He likens it to tossing paper balls into a waste paper basket. It seems more horizontal hinging than angled. Ill have to look more closely. A hook faced old Ping Anser, a ton of deloft and a little chuckle to himself.

We play in a local muny club championship every year. I'm normally in total shock on the super slow and bumpy greens. He on the other hand is just chuckling to himself. Draino. "Yes, sir! Chuckle chuckle"

Have you got room in your freezer for one more?

Describe what a "ton of deloft" looks like? I'm assuming the deloft is created by an extreme clubshaft lean or is the putter head/face really delofted? Is the clubhead movement going down, up or level at impact? I'll try anything to putt better- while I wait for your answers I'll be three putting from 4 feet. Send the informaion sooooooon!!!

[O.B.Left]

Describe what a "ton of deloft" looks like? I'm assuming the deloft is created by an extreme clubshaft lean or is the putter head/face really delofted? Is the clubhead movement going down, up or level at impact? I'll try anything to putt better- while I wait for your answers I'll be three putting from 4 feet. Send the informaion sooooooon!!!

Normal Anser putter, hands ahead, level but above the equator, putter hovered, no hand acceleration just shoulder powered.

[12 piece bucket]

I updated post #20 -

P.S. Bucket is a booger head His swing has no lower body action Next I will have his head

Dingleberry . . . you are now 18 posts over 1000 . . . it ain't even WINTER TIME YET . . . . I'm taking the over on 2000 by mid December . . . . welcome home my little friend.

[Mike O]

Dingleberry . . . you are now 18 posts over 1000 . . . it ain't even WINTER TIME YET . . . . I'm taking the over on 2000 by mid December . . . . welcome home my little friend.

HEY, Stalker! I see you are still "fluff" posting in order to catch the green man- ridiculous! Did they send the gold watch yet for number 3500 - told you so! This would have been a nice clean thread, professional, without your sorry little a.... Well, maybe not but let's not worry about the details and facts - afterall that hasn't stopped you in your life - say hi to the kids for me: Jackie, Johnnie, Jimbo, Allen, Rackley, Judie, Joanie, Bill, John, Fred, Walter, Georgia, Sam, Wilma, Becky, Danielle, Phillip.