[Mike O]

No Im interested and it is on Topic for a change, which would be kind of new for you.......talk about biting the hand that is about to feed you.........sorry Mike.

So negative loft is only usable for a pure swing procedure?
No that's not correct. You could use a negative loft putter for any procedure if you wanted. I said IF you used a TRUE swinging procedure - in order to effectively strike the putt at the target and start it rolling with overspin - you'd need a reverse lofted putter. Of course, when Mr. Kelley would say something like that he was assuming that you didn't have any hookface built into the golf club- putter, iron, etc. Anything that makes the sweetspot (longitudinal center of gravity at the point it passes through the clubhead) move back - away from the target(from the viewpoint of a helicopter)- putting the center of gravity behind the shaft, creates a situation where the true swinger- putter, iron, driver, doesn't matter- would have a hookface clubface and therefore wouldn't have the clubface facing the target at lowpoint. Because the true swinger allows the automatic alignment of the sweetspot with the pulling force, which dictates the clubface alignment depending on the amount of hookface "built" into the club.

Can you start by describing a true swing for putting.
I need to make a Wal-Mart run before I make my trip to North Carolina- duct tape, rope, eight car batteries - I'll post to this when I get back later tonight.

Thanks for this.

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See above - in red