Thank you J,
My problem was or is... sometimes my right hand gets under my left right after impact.(not flipping it but it gets under..thats another question) When studying the hinge actions I have no problem duplicating angled or vertical but struggle with horizontal. So I am trying to "feel" the proper feel. I will def try what you said. I feel like this should be so simple but its not.. for me at least.
Thanks again.
mac
Preparation for roll must take place at the top of the swing. If your right hand feels under, you are starting to turn the clubface to the ball too late. I have been working a lot on the finish swivel, here is what I am working on. 1. keep right forearm on plane at address, no low hands, which contributes to angled hinging for me. 2. catch rain with the left palm after both arms straight, while retaining axis tilt. 3. keep left thumb away from head at finish. In addition to Lynn's finish swivel video, watch Tomassello on hinging, and part three of the Dietrick letters.
Preparation for roll must take place at the top of the swing. If your right hand feels under, you are starting to turn the clubface to the ball too late. I have been working a lot on the finish swivel, here is what I am working on. 1. keep right forearm on plane at address, no low hands, which contributes to angled hinging for me. 2. catch rain with the left palm after both arms straight, while retaining axis tilt. 3. keep left thumb away from head at finish. In addition to Lynn's finish swivel video, watch Tomassello on hinging, and part three of the Dietrick letters.
Great stuff Dodger!
I'm not familiar with the Dietrick letters. Any chance you can shoot me those?
Thanks,
Kevin
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The translation from mechanics to feel requires you to learn the mechanical alignment (look, look, look) and then observe the associated feel . You learn/practice mechanics but play by feel. It requires checking on a daily basis to ensure proper compliance. Every darn day is different.
The translation from mechanics to feel requires you to learn the mechanical alignment (look, look, look) and then observe the associated feel . You learn/practice mechanics but play by feel. It requires checking on a daily basis to ensure proper compliance. Every darn day is different.
Dont have my book with me, how'd that sound?
Like someone who understands Homer Kelley!
Kevin
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Golly that tape brings back memories of my time in that big room of tommy's at deer track golf & cc in myrtle beach. I like the video - very clear. In the last part where he holds the hips back and starts the arms down out toward first base is where I gave up on Tommy. He worked with me on that and it just didn't compute. It felt awkward. With axis tilt and that arm motion I could never find the plane line. Where was the tracing. I could never get back on course. He helped me alot but I never went back after that. Frankly it just felt weird to me. I was sitting down, squaring, from the TSP, pulling and that goofed that all up
Thanks for linking that video! That's great stuff. I've never heard anyone advocate leaving the right hip back like that. I just went out and hit a bucket of balls and it worked wonderfully. I think it may be a major key for my swing. On video my hip doesnt really stay completely back, but it stays back enough to help me get my right elbow more pitchy and more in front of my right hip. Awesome.
Ahhhh, I know that video, I have it. I forgot it was done for Deitrich.
Thanks Drew!
Kevin
Sorry Kev, out of the office this afternoon and just saw your email now. It is a nice video for swingers and learning how to hit past the left hip, which is horizontal hinging. Henry Cotton, Jones, Snead and other old timers used to advocate swinging the clubhead past the left hip. The right hip cannot get in the way, but a proper swivel takes care of the hips. Hand controlled pivot, that is what Tommasello seems to me to be talking about. The left hip continues to turn, because the finish swivel takes it there. When you taught me the finish swivel, no body thought at all. My hands did what they were supposed to, my body listened to the hands. If the swivel is done properly, you look like Tom Watson at the finish.
Golly that tape brings back memories of my time in that big room of tommy's at deer track golf & cc in myrtle beach. I like the video - very clear. In the last part where he holds the hips back and starts the arms down out toward first base is where I gave up on Tommy. He worked with me on that and it just didn't compute. It felt awkward. With axis tilt and that arm motion I could never find the plane line. Where was the tracing. I could never get back on course. He helped me alot but I never went back after that. Frankly it just felt weird to me. I was sitting down, squaring, from the TSP, pulling and that goofed that all up
David, with all due respect to Mr Tomasello , which is considerable, his geometry would not appear to be consistent with 1-L, 2-C or 7-2. You're quite right , you cant Trace a Straight Line Base Line when you've bent the plane to the right.
Horizontal HInging is not a swinging towards first base and a "rolling it over" to hit a shot between 1st and 2nd that draws left. It could work out that way but where's the underlying geometry? Where's the Associated Horizontal Basic Plane of the Hinge Action , where's the club face vs the club path, Divergence, where's his face at address, where's his plane line?
When he demonstrates the various Hinge Actions he sure appears to swing out to the right for Horizontal. As if Horizontal has its own associated Closed Plane Line. Ive heard an assertion from some that TGM'rs swing towards 1st base but I didnt know it really existed as theory from some A.I.'s
I dont really want to get into all this out of respect for Mr Tomasello but there's people out there who might think this is out of the book. Which it isnt.
The only time a TGM 'r really swings to the right is when he's pointed his plane line in that direction, Closed. Thrust on the other hand continues down and out towards the straight , square plane line until the Right Arm is Straight at Follow Through. The clubheads Arc of Approach is down and out towards the plane line until low point.
Delaware Golf is gonna hate me for this. Sorry man , T.T. had a lot of attributes , he did, his contribution was immense. Maybe he was simplifying or something ......
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