[HungryBear]

Hey Bear

In short , Id say that the Thrower pattern as outlined by Ralph Sunnyside can be found in the yellow book. But not as a "third category". RS defines three basic actions: muscular thrust , weight shift and rotation. Homer stuck to pushing vs pulling and didnt rank weight shift as even a power accumulator now that I think about it. Hmmmm. Its all a matter of definition again.

These sorts of discussions are really good I believe. Definition leading to identification . Identification to separation. Separation to mastery (or to insanity perhaps, not sure right now).

Couple of quick points:
-he's talking about hitting as a right arm punch , not so for Major Basic strokes....see what Homer termed the "Right Arm Throw". Its another throwing like motion this time with Active Right Arm extension. Push Basic is the inline punch of the right arm..........for short shots only.
-Hitters have pivot lag in Total Motion.
-I like D's point about longitudinal vs radial .......its a big subject so Im not going to start into it here. I love Bernts post too. In regard to what is mutually exclusive Id suggest that's it. You can not Longitudinal and Radial at the same time. (Can you?) Longitudinal then Radial? ....sure even 12-2 has Radial. In a motor boat pulling a skier kinda way (nothing pushes the skier radially, the boat turns around the small pulley wheel and cf throws the skier out, the speed of the skier going from the boats speed to boat speed plus plus). Or you could Radial only, 12-1 Drive Loading. (not the only way to hit by anymeans). But not Radial then Longitudinal or Longitudinal only. Longitudinal doest have any associated CF throwout. 'Cause its traveling in a straight line. If you're "arrow from quivering" you're not Releasing. This is the straight line hand path , be it theoretical or real.
-I thought I said I wasnt going to get into this, no I didnt, yes I did! ... .... ( No I didnt.) Uh Oh this aint mastery this is insanity.

Thanks O.B.

Perhaps the subject should not be approached.

There is sameness and difference.

As I understand. The sameness is in the 24 components. The differences are within the selection of elements within each of the 24.

HK says there is no THE WAY. Selection becomes personal.

BUT

2 categories were implicitly created, hit or swing, which may create a de facto THE WAY. 2 actions-hit or swing.

Should this be?

Chapter 12 creates a pattern selection process and these 2 selected patterns.

But aren't these patterns hortatory, not obligatory? Then why?

The only touch-point is 10-19-(A for one and C for the other or B for either)?

I did not push Humpty-Dumpty off the wall, I just nudged him, Chapter 14 is for pushing.


“I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory,’ ” Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t—till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!’ ”
“But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’,” Alice objected.
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master that’s all.”
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. “They’ve a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they’re the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!”

You’re going to have to ask the Judge what that means.

The Bear