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Old 01-24-2011, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
D I believe the second image is not "rolling shutter corrected" but rather just the camera turned upside down and showing the illusionary effect of the rolling shutter in the opposite direction. Neither photo is accurate.

What does this mean:

-If its blurry dont trust the bend you see...at all.
-you need a faster camera.
Oh, but you're quick to believe the illusion in the first capture. And just as confident pointing out potential flaws in the second.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:00 PM
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This is what happens when everyone tries to be a pioneer and make a name for themselves.

"There is nothing new under the sun".

And in this case, since Hogan wrote his power golf book.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chipingguru View Post
This is what happens when everyone tries to be a pioneer and make a name for themselves.

"There is nothing new under the sun".

And in this case, since Hogan wrote his power golf book.
Speaking of YODA, he should be done with his presentation. I hope those boneheads behaved themselves during his discussion!

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Old 01-24-2011, 01:12 PM
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The rolling shutter cameras will exaggerate the deflection on film. It's also true that turning the camera upside down will only serve to reverse the direction of the distortion in the opposite direction. However, the scientists and physicists that are observing and measuring this are not relying upon these cameras to make their calculations. Every research dept. of every shaft and club manufacturer confirms this deflection to be happening, as well as many independent researchers such as MacKenzie. The physics of this is pretty fascinating IMO, and there is substantial evidence that the clubhead, for all intents and purposes, is basically "detached" from the shaft throughout the impact interval and is essentially acting as a free moving object independently of the shaft. Pretty amazing how we can even hit straight shots with our various clubs and shafts, all behaving differently than each other. Check out this video at 33 seconds, and you can see how the rolling shutter creates an illusion in Tiger's swing.

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Old 01-24-2011, 01:57 PM
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Oh, but you're quick to believe the illusion in the first capture. And just as confident pointing out potential flaws in the second.

What makes you say that? I think I was pretty clear that neither image should be trusted. See my posts #100 and 149.

This is a point and shoot digital camera thing, not talking about Hogan or proper high speed digital images. The sensor scans top down or bottom up.....it doenst scan quick enough and the curve in the shaft is not an accurate representation of whats actually happening. In bottom up mode with the camera turned upside down it scans the head of the club but then as it moves up it scans the shaft at a slightly later point in time , thereby showing forward bend. Vice versa for top down.....they're both highly suspect. If you see blur in the shaft dont try to read it, it could be an illusion.

Im not a camera nut or anything just stuff Ive read. And for those who have a Casio, ever seen the shaft bend when in burst mode? Its a different animal than in high speed video, crazy clear and really weird. Not sure which is more accurate but the general rule about trusting things that are sharper would mean that the shaft does all sorts of crazy things.

Somebody once said the shaft was like a snake. Not sure who...oh ya Homer Kelley.

Im thinking this photo is accurate and its interesting given that he's not making contact with terra firma. Just the collision with the ball bending the shaft back a tad......giving it a slight two way bend.
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Old 01-24-2011, 02:31 PM
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I haven't seen "shaft lean" create this kind of controversey since my college days.
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Old 01-24-2011, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by chipingguru View Post
This is what happens when everyone tries to be a pioneer and make a name for themselves.

"There is nothing new under the sun".

And in this case, since Hogan wrote his power golf book.

Well that illustration of Hogan in power golf is just a "tad" exaggerated...lol. and you'd have to ask how they got the idea the shaft deflected that much that way that far before impact the shaft at that moment would be in a lag position not a lead position, O.B. is correct about the camera's.


Hogan if he went by the camera's of the day and thought the shaft looked like the illustration in power golf he would be sadly mistaken, it doesn't.

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Old 01-24-2011, 03:18 PM
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Its only an illustration! But it does confirm knowledge of the forward bending of the shaft prior to impact. Thus, it is hardly a newly discovered concept.
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Old 01-24-2011, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chipingguru View Post
Its only an illustration! But it does confirm knowledge of the forward bending of the shaft prior to impact. Thus, it is hardly a newly discovered concept.

It's new to Daryl. They came to the wrong conclusion due to the camera's, the shaft is not in that position at that time in the d.s.
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I haven't seen "shaft lean" create this kind of controversey since my college days.
Don't mention "shaft lean" and college in the same sentence! Do you know how ugly some of those girls from IA and Evanston, IL were? Thank goodness I had a girlfriend from England, then Karen from MN, then a girl named Toovah from Sweden in Firenze, then Rita in Germany, then Cathy from MN then...I don't want to talk about it, it's too painful!





....Sharon from Kansas...Meagan from ... when I called her for the college fundraising drive several years later, she said "Look you SOB, Im a "high ranking official"s wife, now, and if you ever bring up what we did, I'll have you killed!"

OOPS! Shaft lean is a touchy subject! (Sometimes, I just crack myself up! Do I need to see a doctor about that?)


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