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Tomasello swinging per 6-B-2-0 first paragraph. "Centrifugal Force, Accumulator #1, the muscles of both forearms, any---or all---are available to actuate this Assembly." See chapter 1 of the Tomasello video chapter series from Australia where Tommy talks about starting the club down with both forearms. Oh yeah, and the uncocking action of the right elbow per 7-3 The Magic of the Right Forearm. The right forearm Karate chop...per the second Tomasello letter video.

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Tomasello swinging per 6-B-2-0 first paragraph. "Centrifugal Force, Accumulator #1, the muscles of both forearms, any---or all---are available to actuate this Assembly." See chapter 1 of the Tomasello video chapter series from Australia where Tommy talks about starting the club down with both forearms. Oh yeah, and the uncocking action of the right elbow per 7-3 The Magic of the Right Forearm. The right forearm Karate chop...per the second Tomasello letter video.

DG
For my money, this is one of the sections (6-B-2-0) in TGM that validates the teaching approaches of both Lynn and Tommy. It's not a matter of who's right, it's a matter of "What's Right".

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Tomasello swinging per 6-B-2-0 first paragraph. "Centrifugal Force, Accumulator #1, the muscles of both forearms, any---or all---are available to actuate this Assembly." See chapter 1 of the Tomasello video chapter series from Australia where Tommy talks about starting the club down with both forearms. Oh yeah, and the uncocking action of the right elbow per 7-3 The Magic of the Right Forearm. The right forearm Karate chop...per the second Tomasello letter video.

[Small bold italic emphasis by Yoda.]

Two crucial concepts to understand and differentiate are Delivery and Release.

In Pivot Strokes, the Power Package (6-0) -- Assembled with its Power Accumulated (6-B-0), Loaded (6-C-0) and Stored (6-D-0) -- is Delivered (6-E-0) by the Pivot (7-12) to its Release Point. Only then does the independent action of the Arms (the straightening of the Right Elbow) continue the Delivery of the Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) into Impact (6-K-0). In other words, only then does Arm Action -- versus Pivot Action -- "actuate" the Power Package. So . . .

First the Pivot.

Then, the Arms.

[This cries out for a video.]



It is this delayed extension ("uncocking") of the Right Arm -- the third side of the Triangle Assembly (6-A-1) -- that Triggers the Release (6-M-0) and drives the Club through Impact (1-L #10).

Tom Tomasello understood these concepts, as evidenced in his quotes from a video just sent me by our own Delaware Golf:

Demonstrating the Start Down and its Pivot Action, Tommy says:

"Lower the right shoulder . . . we know we don't do this [with the arms] . . .. this is what the body does, not the arms."

Then, demonstrating the Start Down Waggle (a pumping motion training the initial move from the Top), he says:

"Rock the shoulders. . . rock the shoulders."

"Now" he says, having delivered the Club well into the Downstroke via the 'rocking' Right Shoulder (Shoulder Turn Acceleration per 8-7), "uncock the arm" (Release per 8-9).

Tom's video will be in our Gallery ASAP. Thanks, Dave.

Bottom line: Only in Non-Pivot Strokes does the Arm action begin immediately (6-L-0). Otherwise, the Downstroke Sequence (6-M-1) is broken, the Right Shoulder remains 'high' and the Elbow becomes straight prior to (or during) Impact. This "running out of Right Arm" triggers an automatic Throwaway (6-D-0), and unless done intentionally and for a purpose, the shot is lost.
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Old 01-27-2008, 01:40 PM
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Two crucial concepts to understand and differentiate are Delivery and Release.

In Pivot Strokes, the Power Package (6-0) -- Assembled with its Power Accumulated (6-B-0), Loaded (6-C-0) and Stored (6-D-0) -- is Delivered (6-E-0) by the Pivot (7-12) to its Release Point. Only then does the independent action of the Arms (the straightening of the Right Elbow) continue the Delivery of the Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) into Impact (6-K-0). In other words, only then does Arm Action -- versus Pivot Action -- "actuate" the Power Package. So . . .

First the Pivot.

Then, the Arms.

[This cries out for a video.]



It is this delayed extension ("uncocking") of the Right Arm -- the third side of the Triangle Assembly (6-A-1) -- that Triggers the Release (6-M-0) and drives the Club through Impact (1-L #10).

Tom Tomasello understood these concepts, as evidenced in his quotes from a video just sent me by our own Delaware Golf:

Demonstrating the Start Down and its Pivot Action, Tommy says:

"Lower the right shoulder . . . we know we don't do this [with the arms] . . .. this is what the body does, not the arms."

Then, demonstrating the Start Down Waggle (a pumping motion training the initial move from the Top), he says:

"Rock the shoulders. . . rock the shoulders."

"Now" he says, having delivered the Club well into the Downstroke via the 'rocking' Right Shoulder (Shoulder Turn Acceleration per 8-7), "uncock the arm" (Release per 8-9).

Tom's video will be in our Gallery ASAP. Thanks, Dave.

Bottom line: Only in Non-Pivot Strokes does the Arm action begin immediately (6-L-0). Otherwise, the Downstroke Sequence (6-M-1) is broken, the Right Shoulder remains 'high' and the Elbow becomes straight prior to (or during) Impact. This "running out of Right Arm" triggers an automatic Throwaway (6-D-0), and unless done intentionally and for a purpose, the shot is lost.


Yoda,

Per Tommy's letter series #2 video, eventhough Tommy is starting the uncocking process of the right elbow manually at the beginning of the downswing, he isn't putting the club into a released conditioned. Reference the comment about high speed camera action from letter video #2, I believe Tommy is making the point that eventhough he is throwing it from the top, he's still getting a snap release. True extension is still at the bottom of the stroke. Reference Tommy's instruction throughout all of the Chapter series videos.

Thanks for Referencing 6-K-0 and 6-L-0.

DG

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Two crucial concepts to understand and differentiate are Delivery and Release.

In Pivot Strokes, the Power Package (6-0) -- Assembled with its Power Accumulated (6-B-0), Loaded (6-C-0) and Stored (6-D-0) -- is Delivered (6-E-0) by the Pivot (7-12) to its Release Point. Only then does the independent action of the Arms (the straightening of the Right Elbow) continue the Delivery of the Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) into Impact (6-K-0). In other words, only then does Arm Action -- versus Pivot Action -- "actuate" the Power Package. So . . .

First the Pivot.

Then, the Arms.

It is this delayed extension ("uncocking") of the Right Arm -- the third side of the Triangle Assembly (6-A-1) -- that Triggers the Release (6-M-0) and drives the Club through Impact (1-L #10).

Tom Tomasello understood these concepts, as evidenced in his quotes from a video Delaware Golf has just sent me. First, demonstrating Start Down, Tommy says "Lower the right shoulder . . . we know we don't do this [with the arms] . . .. this is what the body does, not the arms." Then, demonstrating the Start Down Waggle (a pumping motion training the initial move from the Top), he says: "Rock the shoulders. . . rock the shoulders. Now . . ." he says, having delivered the Club well into the Downstroke via the 'rocking' Right Shoulder, "uncock the arm."

Tom's video will be in our Gallery ASAP. Thanks, Dave.

Bottom line: Only in Non-Pivot Strokes does the Arm action begin immediately (6-L-0). Otherwise, the Downstroke Sequence (6-M-1) is broken, the Right Shoulder remains 'high' and the Elbow becomes straight prior to (or during) Impact. This "running out of Right Arm" triggers an automatic Throwaway (6-D-0), and unless done intentionally and for a purpose, the shot is lost.
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Crucial concepts to understand and differentiate are Delivery and Release.

In Pivot Strokes, the Power Package (6-0) -- Assembled with its Power Accumulated (6-B-0), Loaded (6-C-0) and Stored (6-D-0) -- is Delivered (6-E-0) by the Pivot (7-12) to its Release Point. Only then does the independent action of the Arms (the straightening of the Right Elbow) continue the Delivery of the Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) into Impact (6-K-0). In other words, only then does Arm Action -- versus Pivot Action -- "actuate" the Power Package. So . . .

First the Pivot.

Then, the Arms.

This cries out for a video.



It is this delayed extension ("uncocking") of the Right Arm -- the third side of the Triangle Assembly (6-A-1) -- that Triggers the Release (6-M-0) and drives the Club through Impact (1-L #10).

Tom Tomasello understood these concepts, as evidenced in his quotes from a video just sent me by our own Delaware Golf:

Demonstrating the Start Down and its Pivot Action, Tommy says:

"Lower the right shoulder . . . we know we don't do this [with the arms] . . .. this is what the body does, not the arms."

Then, demonstrating the Start Down Waggle (a pumping motion training the initial move from the Top), he says:

"Rock the shoulders. . . rock the shoulders."

"Now" he says, having delivered the Club well into the Downstroke via the 'rocking' Right Shoulder (Shoulder Turn Acceleration per 8-7), "uncock the arm" (Release per 8-9).

Tom's video will be in our Gallery ASAP. Thanks, Dave.

Bottom line: Only in Non-Pivot Strokes does the Arm action begin immediately (6-L-0). Otherwise, the Downstroke Sequence (6-M-1) is broken, the Right Shoulder remains 'high' and the Elbow becomes straight prior to (or during) Impact. This "running out of Right Arm" triggers an automatic Throwaway (6-D-0), and unless done intentionally and for a purpose, the shot is lost.

Yoda,

That rocking right shoulder section of the video is Tommy demonstrating the Flying wedge "drill"....it's part of a "drill" (in the video it's a demonstration from an acquired motion stroke, not to be confused with a total motion stroke). Trust me, Tommy started the downswing with the right arm when the hands are above shoulder high....the uncocking of the right elbow through the use of the right forearm. The Magic of the Right Forearm. Tommy throws the club down with the uncocking motion of the right elbow through the right forearm....Tommy did not in any way teach the full swing with the right shoulder starting the club down or with the lower body....total mis-interpretation.

DG

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Did he tilt his axis first? As I may have mentioned a while back I had the darndest time making that 2 inch lateral move...but when I thought in terms of what TT said doing his "stick drill" i.e. right shoulder moving down on plane...it helped. For ME the two toughest moves in golf are cocking and uncocking the right elbow while keeping the right wrist level and bent...and...the 2 inch lateral move to tilt the axis! My associated feel to tilt the axis is the right shoulder moving down the turned shoulder plane...I no longer look like an uncoordinated Elvis impersonator. Too be honest this post was a Trojan Horse...real purpose?...to announce my 101th post!

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