Where did you get the Snead photo? Is there an entire sequence?
Matt
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Where did you get the Snead photo? Is there an entire sequence?
I'll answer for Mathew.
Annikan provided the photo at my request to begin a thread earlier this year. If he has the entire sequence, I'm sure he would be happy to post it.
The point was to make obvious the true direction of the spine tilt in the Start-Up and Backstroke, i.e., the bottom moves slightly away from the Target with the Weight Shift (a Hip Motion) as the Head remains steady. It is the Standard Pivot (10-12-A) and Standard Hip Turn (free Turn and Weight Shift / 10-14-A) illustrated in Photo 9-1-5 of The Golfing Machine. It is not a Reverse Pivot.
In contrast, some instructors -- perhaps even most -- teach that the top of the spine tilts away from the Target in the Backstroke. They label the move as an "athletic" Pivot. I label it a Sway.
Look again this rear-view photo of Sam Snead and draw your own conclusion.
But humans aren't machines....and Homer's machine looks nothing like a human.
It's theoretical man.....I mean.....it's all logical really...
1L: "The Post may turn (Pivot) but does not "sway" or "bob."
Very logical in theory (esp. for a machine)....but theory none the less.
I know it's Homer etc. etc.....but it's theory...what can I say.
From Columbia Encyclopedia : "Machine, any arrangement of stationary and moving mechanical parts used to perform some useful work or a specialized task"
Humans ARE machines.
Gravity is another theory, but accepted as fact.
At the end of the day we either accept a theory as fact-like gravity-or deny it because the theory doesn't seem to fit the evidence we observe i.e. when I try this I don't seem to hit the ball as well as this other way.
The preface of the book is the heart of it all, IMO. I have accepted the idea that for human shaped golfers, there is only one golf stroke, period. It may not work best for ME, but that doesn't contradict the idea.
Uncompensated, ideal, precision,-like PING Man. It's not debateable.
This is good information, and the picture(from Annikan) sheds a different light on the SPINE, HIPS, KNEES, and HEAD during this part of the PIVOT.
Have you come up with a ZONE 1 PIVOT DRILL or EXERCISE to help people see how this works, or is CHAPTER 9 IT(a pivot drill)?
My appeal is to common sense.
Standing erect without a club and while keeping your head still, shift your weight to your right foot. Do not turn...simply allow your weight to go to your right side.
Which part of your spine moved with the hips? The top?
The preface of the book is the heart of it all, IMO. I have accepted the idea that for human shaped golfers, there is only one golf stroke, period. It may not work best for ME, but that doesn't contradict the idea.
But it must "work" for you, Sonic. That's because the "One Stroke" described in The Preface refers to its Geometry, i.e, the relationship of the Circle (Clubhead Orbit / 2-N-0) to the Plane Line.
Happily, the Stroke Pattern used to accomplish that essential Geometry is entirely the player's option. And here the choices are virtually unlimited.
From Columbia Encyclopedia : "Machine, any arrangement of stationary and moving mechanical parts used to perform some useful work or a specialized task"
Humans ARE machines.
O c'mon man....in the real world no one would call a human a machine in the same way as they would call a dirt bike a machine...
Or we could keep arguing semantics......c'mon now...
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Gravity is another theory, but accepted as fact.
Yes it is.....that doesn't mean all theories are fact though.
And besides.....golf swings are unique....
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The preface of the book is the heart of it all, IMO. I have accepted the idea that for human shaped golfers, there is only one golf stroke, period. It may not work best for ME, but that doesn't contradict the idea.
Yayaya.....but Homer obviously didn't mean it that way or else we would have:
"The Golfing Machine....chapters 7 and 10......24 Components with 24 Absolutes...and no Variations."
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Uncompensated, ideal, precision,-like PING Man. It's not debateable.
K so we have a few pics posted of various players....
All with different Strokes BTW....
I don't know EXACTLY where these people's spines are so I would only be guessing...
Snead's could very well be where you've drawn it...
Although this is only one picture of him taking one shot.....and also only one player throughout a mass history of great players....if you're right tho it would prove that it CAN work for people.....I know that already tho....it wouldn't be a problem with me.
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To me, I think your spine (the one beside Snead is you right Mathew?) is more to the right than where you've drawn it tho...you can see the indent in your back......no?
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Adam Scott....I dunno.....isn't that pic the one that's edited from the one where he was hitting on an upslope?
Regardless, to me, his head is slightly to the right of the red line (given, only a small amount...to me)...and as for his spine....I dunno lots about spines....but that doesn't look right to me. (where you've drawn it) Anyway tho I'm no expert on spines and this picture may not be a good one to analyze anyway.
And....regardless of all THAT....I don't think Scott is a guy who keeps his head Stationary anyway (and I don't think keeps it in the center of his feet either)....need more pictures.
Maybe if we found pics of him with a short iron it would show more of a "tripod".....maybe....
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Adam Scott....I dunno.....isn't that pic the one that's edited from the one where he was hitting on an upslope?
Regardless, to me, his head is slightly to the right of the red line (given, only a small amount...to me)
Hey birdie_man,
It looks like Adam is hitting a tee shot so he is not likely contending with an upslope. The head seems to be more rotated than laterally away from the center-line.
What is Homer's view on rotating the head? Necessary? Helpful? Adds another variable? (this question is posed to anyone)
Matt
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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