Standard Address with bent left wrist.
No preturned hip - and swinging motion on backswing.
Top.
Right forearm inline with - not opposed to.
Instant Acceleration Hip Action.
Sequenced Release.
Most importantly - Frame 10. Shaft is bowing TOWARDS the target - wouldnt happen if he was hitting and thrust were continuing to be applied, no? I cannot see the bow of the shaft at transition - so need to go on this (though his right forearm is in no way a position to push).
Frame 12, full roll of horizontal hinging. With a driver. Not a wedge.
Uh oh.....I'm in trouble now!
Hi Patrick,
I know the debate is centered on Appleby being a "Hitting Pin Up".
I think that your analysis on the url you provided is absolutely spot on.
That said, the analysis provided by the other forum faithful with regards to Apples is correct also, because it is evident that he in fact was hitting in the sequence provided by Mr David Orr a.k.a Annikan Skywalker.
I think many of us are one dimensional in playing. That is to say the vast majority of us can only swing or hit, but not both.
And because of this, we sometimes fail to remember that the pros we study are different fishes altogether, thus we tend to categorise them into "swinger" or "hitter" exclusively.
Personally, I am a 3 Barrel Swinger as well as a 4 Barrel Hitter.
Per the Preface: "Hitting and Swinging seem equally efficient. The difference is in the players. If strong - Hit. If quick - Swing. If both - do either. Or both."
A sizeable number of pros i.e Mr Eldrick Woods fall into the "both" category as does Mr. Appleby.
On hindsight, referencing your posts, a better name for the thread would be "Classic Hitting / Swinging Exhibition".
Just a suggestion...
I know the debate is centered on Appleby being a "Hitting Pin Up".
I think that your analysis on the url you provided is absolutely spot on.
That said, the analysis provided by the other forum faithful with regards to Apples is correct also, because it is evident that he in fact was hitting in the sequence provided by Mr David Orr a.k.a Annikan Skywalker.
I think many of us are one dimensional in playing. That is to say the vast majority of us can only swing or hit, but not both.
And because of this, we sometimes fail to remember that the pros we study are different fishes altogether, thus we tend to categorise them into "swinger" or "hitter" exclusively.
Personally, I am a 3 Barrel Swinger as well as a 4 Barrel Hitter.
Per the Preface: "Hitting and Swinging seem equally efficient. The difference is in the players. If strong - Hit. If quick - Swing. If both - do either. Or both."
A sizeable number of pros i.e Mr Eldrick Woods fall into the "both" category as does Mr. Appleby.
On hindsight, referencing your posts, a better name for the thread would be "Classic Hitting / Swinging Exhibition".
Just a suggestion...
Comda,
Thank you for your elegant and mostly, insightful post. Sometimes, when one (ok - me!), looks through starry eye'd glasses, we (again, caught myself - I!) see what I want to....
Thank you for reminding me there is more then meets the eye!!!
And...I believe we are the only two to mention swinging in 6 threads of this post! (uh oh - I'm in trouble again)...
Last edited by phillygolf : 01-10-2006 at 06:51 AM.
Comda,
Thank you for your elegant and mostly, insightful post. Sometimes, when one (ok - me!), looks through starry eye'd glasses, we (again, caught myself - I!) see what I want to....
Thank you for reminding me there is more then meets the eye!!!
And...I believe we are the only two to mention swinging in 6 threads of this post! (uh oh - I'm in trouble again)...
From page 1
Originally Posted by EdZ
A hitter's alignments with the Rhythm of a swinger
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This is what angled hinging looks like at follow through (both arms straight)
If this isn't a hitting motion...then I just don't know hitting.....Yes...we are seeing angled hinging ...but as a result of "drive out of the paddlewheel motion of the right forearm flying wedge"...NOT Throw out of the Left Arm flying wedge via the blast off of the Pivot!!!!\
BTW both arms are Not straight...left arm is cracked....
ASS
Last edited by annikan skywalker : 01-10-2006 at 05:27 PM.
I agree. Stuart is probably able to do both. Looks like he swings with the driver and longer clubs and hits with the mid and short irons. Although it looks like his swing has changed somewhat- he is more compact and seems to hit a lot more of the time. Just my .02!
If this isn't a hitting motion...then I just don't know hitting.....Yes...we are seeing angled hinging ...but as a result of "drive out of the paddlewheel motion of the right forearm flying wedge"...NOT Throw out of the Left Arm flying wedge via the blast off of the Pivot!!!!\
BTW both arms are Not straight...left arm is cracked....
ASS
Dr. O,
I'm horning in late again, but how could anybody look at this picture and not see textbook hitting? Ball above feet, club choked down to compensate and angled hinged to hold the shot off the slope, bent left arm (if it was pulling, it would be more extended), and of course the paddlewheel DRIVE out of the right forearm...it's a HIT!!!
Does anyone have a sequence with Appleby hitting a driver??
I think it would be interesting to see in contrast to the sequence posted in this thread. I have seen pics of Appleby hitting driver recently, and although I don't have any to post. I do believe he is still hitting, however he does take driver to end instead of top.
If this isn't a hitting motion...then I just don't know hitting.....Yes...we are seeing angled hinging ...but as a result of "drive out of the paddlewheel motion of the right forearm flying wedge"...NOT Throw out of the Left Arm flying wedge via the blast off of the Pivot!!!!\
BTW both arms are Not straight...left arm is cracked....
ASS
Annikan...
No disrespect, you'r my boy. But in all seriousness - if you, or anyone - can tell hitting via a posed shot at the end of the sequence, well.......
I dont agree.
Look back at your Elkington photo's....at the end - via vertical hinging - his face is WIDE open. So...
Originally Posted by EC
Dr. O,
I'm horning in late again, but how could anybody look at this picture and not see textbook hitting?
EC,
For those that don't know - EC is one of my mentors. One, among two, who took my under his wing. And, in my opinion, is a knowledgable and brilliant as anyone....especially when it comes too TGM. As a devil's advocate, I am compelled to give my take....
Originally Posted by EC
Ball above feet,
Not relevant.
Originally Posted by EC
club choked down to compensate and
Not relevant.
Originally Posted by EC
angled hinged to hold the shot off the slope,
Swingers can do the same - see Tiger hitting a flop with vertical hinging.
Originally Posted by EC
bent left arm (if it was pulling, it would be more extended),
Hmmm.....do we know the original lie? Situation?
Originally Posted by EC
and of course the paddlewheel DRIVE out of the right forearm...it's a HIT!!!
I, and you, can get in the same position swinging, no????
Gentlemen,
I must disagree. I posted an entire motion - after what, 6 or 7 pages of reading that Appleby was a 'textbook' hitter. And here - I must disagree. I do not, and would not advocate, surmising that a player is a hitter or swinger based upon one photo.
Thats my stance and I am sticking by it. I realize I am the only one to stand up on this - and thats ok.....
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