"He has exercises that train your body to have more efficient and effective movement patterns, which have been proven to work through lots and lots of testing." TGM has information on how you can do it, and exercises to teach you to do it.
How about an example? Can you just show or explain one of your exercises and how it addresses a specific problem. Talking about these exercises and saying they work is not helpful to me. If you are going to talk about this knowledge you have and we don't you should share some of it. Saying it is complicated and has to be specific to an individual golfer is not an excuse for not giving examples. I would feel better about some of the biomechanic studies if a Lynn Blake, or other knowledgable golf swing instuctor was listed with the investigators. You can always look up the CV's of the investigators and determine their credibility in their fields. A qualified golf swing expert could point out to the investigators what variables to investigate and how to evaluate the data obtained. Many medical studies done by academic doctors have resulted in false conclusions because they have lacked the clinical experience to see the flawed design of the studies. So you might point out a study in which the investigators included qualified experts not only in biomechanics but in golf instuction.
"He has exercises that train your body to have more efficient and effective movement patterns, which have been proven to work through lots and lots of testing." TGM has information on how you can do it, and exercises to teach you to do it.
How about an example? Can you just show or explain one of your exercises and how it addresses a specific problem. Talking about these exercises and saying they work is not helpful to me. If you are going to talk about this knowledge you have and we don't you should share some of it. Saying it is complicated and has to be specific to an individual golfer is not an excuse for not giving examples. I would feel better about some of the biomechanic studies if a Lynn Blake, or other knowledgable golf swing instuctor was listed with the investigators. You can always look up the CV's of the investigators and determine their credibility in their fields. A qualified golf swing expert could point out to the investigators what variables to investigate and how to evaluate the data obtained. Many medical studies done by academic doctors have resulted in false conclusions because they have lacked the clinical experience to see the flawed design of the studies. So you might point out a study in which the investigators included qualified experts not only in biomechanics but in golf instuction.
Have a look at the video link I posted on the previous page. That has examples of the exercises and some explanation of what is trained and why, by the man who did the research.
I was going to go into the qualifications of some of the people involved but that's their business. The info is there, everyone is free to use or ignore it. I'm glad I've used it. Many very highly regarded golf coaches use this. I suspect they're glad.
I hope you look into it further to determine if it will help you.
Hold on though . . . Y'all may not have said it . . . but I'm saying it . . . I'M SAYING HE'S EFFICIENT FOR THE TASK AT HAND . . . Hit it really far. So that came out of my world not y'all's . . . to me anyway the question then becomes . . . if these cats hit the ball far and we can just discount what they are doing whacky with their arms (which is a piece of it for them) . . . what are they doing with their pivot?
If there was a way to look at Hogan's pivot and JS's pivot . . . you'd see some definite similarities . . .
I see the similarities between JS and a young John Daly (JD).
JD should have had a lot more victories if he was able to control his lifestyle.
"He has exercises that train your body to have more efficient and effective movement patterns, which have been proven to work through lots and lots of testing." TGM has information on how you can do it, and exercises to teach you to do it.
How about an example? Can you just show or explain one of your exercises and how it addresses a specific problem. Talking about these exercises and saying they work is not helpful to me. If you are going to talk about this knowledge you have and we don't you should share some of it. Saying it is complicated and has to be specific to an individual golfer is not an excuse for not giving examples. I would feel better about some of the biomechanic studies if a Lynn Blake, or other knowledgable golf swing instuctor was listed with the investigators. You can always look up the CV's of the investigators and determine their credibility in their fields. A qualified golf swing expert could point out to the investigators what variables to investigate and how to evaluate the data obtained. Many medical studies done by academic doctors have resulted in false conclusions because they have lacked the clinical experience to see the flawed design of the studies. So you might point out a study in which the investigators included qualified experts not only in biomechanics but in golf instuction.
David, check out this Golf Biomechanics 101 video:
Thanks for the link to some specific information. It would be interesting to get the biomechanic experts together with Lynn Blakes, Greg McHattons etc of the world and compare the swings of Brian Gay, Jeff Huff, Ted Fort etc and note the differences in the various swing patterns. That information would be very helpful for someone who wanted an effecient life long swing that would be easy on the body and could be consistently be reproduced. I would be interested in Lynns and Vickie Lakes comments. Looking at the long driver guys swings as well as Tigers I am concerned about the human bodys ability to withstand the stress to the back, knee joints, muscles and tendons. I still don't think Tigers body will hold up to the senior tour. I think he will be in the same position as Nickaus.
I see the similarities between JS and a young John Daly (JD).
JD should have had a lot more victories if he was able to control his lifestyle.
Driver pivot ain't necessarily just about physics . . . also about pivoting in fashion to achieve the required launch conditions to hit far via angle of attack, angle of approach and how fast you "get it outta the ground".
David, Brian Gay has worked with these guys and been measured many times I believe(?). Bio said earlier in the thread that Brian worked with them for many years before LB, he has both helped and been helped by biomechanics it would seem. Don't know about Huff and Fort. I'm sure Yoda would be into the ideas found in at least Bio's approach to biomechanics (as has been stated there are many suspect approaches out there). It doesn't go against any of his (excellent) teachings, only adds to them. Worth reading Bio's recent post on the swing-pattern thread.
You are right about the longevity of some too, so many injuries from movement patterns, you still can play great golf like that but the cost is in pain.
Driver pivot ain't necessarily just about physics . . . also about pivoting in fashion to achieve the required launch conditions to hit far via angle of attack, angle of approach and how fast you "get it outta the ground".
The TPI web site has lots of information on the evaluation and recommended exercises. Using this as a base and googling some of the terms I came up with most of what I wanted. I have worked with PT's for cervical stenosis with neuropathy, lumbar stenosis with neuropathy and with proper exercises avoided surgery. These were were not related to any of my golfing endeavors. Doing fitness exercises, practicing and playing is diffcult for my body and my associated arthritis. However i have resumed working with a fitness trainer and she is tuned in already to many of these. I would add that Bio mentions evaluation to determine one's specific needs. I would add that I think everyone should have a diagnostic PT exam. A good PT can pin point areas of weakness even in those that work out a lot. Most folks have some assymetrical issues going on. I had compensatory muscles doing things my hip knee and abs should have been doing. So I think biomechanics is very valid. I would like to see it integrated into TGM so that more intelligent choices can be made about certain patterns. So far my experience with Lynn has not conflicted with my PT's advise about avoidance of further injury and so far I have no recurrence
How about a straight line delivery exercise, a catch the dog by the tail exercise, left forearm takeaway exercise perhaps with a medicine ball, stretch bands. I could see perhaps a startdown, sit down drill with a belt around the waist(hips) attached to exercise bands and another one attached from the hands to the ceiling etc. How about a Wi Fit program that measures the weight shift during the backswing and integrating it into the Wi golf game to show length of drives etc.
No Mind,
How about opening up you mind for a minute. At present you have a closed mind. Your going off your own belief system..
My mind is open. I'm listening ... What did you say your qualifications were? Have you been to a University? I subscribe to the beliefs systems I learned at the university (they are not mine) which are rooted in the pioneering work of such people as Issac Newton. There is nothing new here. He penned it all in the Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica in 1687.
Originally Posted by bioengine
Your sadly mistaken if you think I'm here to sell videos etc.
You are way off the mark there.
Problem in golf is no likes sharing their information. I have admiration for Yoda cause he's only to happy to share his knowledge with everyone.
I'm in the same boat I want to share my knowledge with people for the better of the game. Not sell video's your sadly mistaken.
hmm energy can't be stored interesting, can you please enlighten everyone about eccentric-cocentric (Stretch-Shorten Cycle) works please.
I believe that with in this cycle they say elastic energy is stored. Quite interesting..
There is no energy stored when muscles are stretched. Muscles contract... thats what they do. When muscles contract they apply forces to levers (the human skeleton) which cause movement. Thats all.
Originally Posted by bioengine
Can you enlighten us on the first law of thermodynamics U=Eh+Em+Ep,s
U= work ,
Eh = change in heat or thermal energy,
Em = Change in chemical energy
Es,p = Change in elastic energy
Your saying the muscles are always active, hmm interesting. Aren't also muscles accelerating an decelerating as well. .
Muscles contract (apply force) to levers... thats it! Thats what muscles do.
I would have thought you'd have questioned me on the third law instead... Thats the much more interesting one the says conversations like this one are destined to degenerate.
First law says energy is conserved in the SYSTEM. When a golf ball is compressed some energy converted (i.e. wasted) to heat and noise... that energy is forever lost and cannot be used to help propel it the golf ball. However that heat and that noise is STILL in the system... Energy is consevered.... IN THE SYSTEM (which includes golfer ball and surroundings) THAT my biofriend is what the first law says. Get it? But momentum is NOT energy. They are two entirely different concepts.
Originally Posted by bioengine
Can explain this phoenomena for us.
Angular momentum is conserved in a system where there is no net external torque, and its conservation helps explain many diverse phenomena. For example, the increase in rotational speed of a spinning figure skater as the skater's arms are contracted is a consequence of conservation of angular momentum.
Angular momentum applies in golf, actually in tennis, throwing and a ton of other sports, research was conduct by kinesiology and have written tons on research conducted and they all agree. Hmmm.
Sure Angular momentum "applies" in golf.... But Angular Momentum sure as heck is not CONSERVED in the golf swing (for the reasons I've already stated several times now). If angular momentum were being conserved in golf as a theoretical golfer spun about his/her theoretical spine axis then as the club moved away from the body.... THE ROTATION OF THE SYSTEM WOULD SLOW DOWN. COAM dictates that an Increase the moment of inertia must be accompanied by a rotational speed decrease. Everyone knows that does not happen. Everyone knows the club angular velocity speeds up as it releases and Nesbits data proves not everyones (probably darn few) hands slow down prior to impact. COAM like COM in describing the golf swing is a MYTH (one of many btw).
Originally Posted by bioengine
Research done by our findings is not one man's belief. Years of research from Kinesiology, Neuromechanics, biomechanics has gone into our research. A team of researchers of 20 years.
So your saying researchers from the American sport institute is wrong are you saying biomotion is wrong as well. Very interesting.
I'm saying what you have written in this thread is wrong.... Don't go trying to drag other's to your defense. That is a blatant logical fallacy (appeal to popularity)... in this case a popular misconception.
Originally Posted by bioengine
honestly, I personally don't care about the theory.
In our field you don't last long in the game if your theories are flawed and don't get results.
All we care about is how to train athletes how to create better movement patterns.
Our focus is training athletes to create the right movements through training. We train the body to create better movement patterns.
Results speak louder then words.
YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT THEORY! Let me tell you a true story. There was once a project to which a young Engineering graduate was assigned. They had a pit of water about 60 feet deep that need to be drained so construction could begin.... The forman on the job had a lot of "practical" experience and ordered that a certain pump be used. The young engineer took one look at the pump and said it would not work. The forman was an arrogant man who thought he knew more that some young punk engineer fresh out of school with nothing but some "book learnin". In the end the engineer was proven right... Even though it was a very big pump it did not work. do you know why? Anybody? "Theory" tells us why.
Bio.... Your words sound nice ... very benevolent... But I believe Ayn Rand has you pegged... you're in it for selfish purposes... All business' are in it to make money. Again... I'm listening... WHERE IS THE BEEF?
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