Pardon me, but I don't see how this quote can have more than one interpretation. It clearly states "aligns the Clubshaft and Clubface for Horizontal Hinging". If he believed that CF Aligns the Face for Impact, I think he would have said so.
If you want another way to put it, he's saying that cf aligns for "Closing Only" of the Clubshaft and Clubface.
Pardon me, but I don't see how this quote can have more than one interpretation. It clearly states "aligns the Clubshaft and Clubface for Horizontal Hinging". If he believed that CF Aligns the Face for Impact, I think he would have said so.
If you want another way to put it, he's saying that cf aligns for "Closing Only" of the Clubshaft and Clubface.
Guess we do belong in the lab. The idea that CF has anything to do with clubface is in the 80%. The clubface is the "back of the hand" period. CF tries to align the COG of the club but on the selected hinge alignment is mechanical. As in "my "B" above.
I don't realy care what others do or think- It is their game - but I am comfortable with the physics.
HB,
Can you just clarify what you mean by this? The context and specifics - might be helpful - otherwise this statement by itself would seem incorrect in many situations.
Thanks,
Mike
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HB,
Can you just clarify what you mean by this? The context and specifics - might be helpful - otherwise this statement by itself would seem incorrect in many situations.
Thanks,
Mike
#12 above;
note the A and B sections.
I did some "sweet spot" stuff down in the lab a while back.
I proposed a "hang the club on a thread" experiment here not long ago.
I have debunked the "sweet spot" is aligned by cf numbers of times.
There is no magic physics that align the clubface all by itself.
CF takes place on a FLAT incline plane and provides NOTHING significant that rotates the club/clubface about anything (the shaft or cog axis) lying on that plane.
Like to hear your opinion
hb
Last edited by HungryBear : 01-16-2013 at 02:42 PM.
I did some "sweet spot" stuff down in the lab a while back.
I proposed a "hang the club on a thread" experiment here not long ago.
I have debunked the "sweet spot" is aligned by cf numbers of times.
There is no magic physics that align the clubface all by itself.
CF takes place on a FLAT incline plane and provides NOTHING significant that rotates the club/clubface about anything (the shaft or cog axis) lying on that plane.
Like to hear your opinion
hb
I didn't understand your A and B - so tough for me to identify your point and know if I agree or don't. Here's my thought - as an object rotates in a circle - if the pull is strong enough then the object's center of mass will align itself to the center of rotation and maintain a constant relationship to that center as it rotates in a circle. So it's not closing or opening IN RELATION TO THE CENTER OF ROTATION - however for example in the golf swing it is opening (on the backswing) and closing (on the downswing)in relation to the ball/target.
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Guess we do belong in the lab. The idea that CF has anything to do with clubface is in the 80%. The clubface is the "back of the hand" period. CF tries to align the COG of the club but on the selected hinge alignment is mechanical. As in "my "B" above.
I don't realy care what others do or think- It is their game - but I am comfortable with the physics.
HB
I'm trying to understand you. It seems that you're mixing different concepts or maybe its just me?
Do we agree on the following?
Throw-out Aligns the Hinge. Throw-out forces the Hinge pin to become vertical to the Horizontal Plane. So, Throw-out causes the Clubshaft and Clubface to move along the axis of rotation to a vertical Hinge Pin. COG is Clubhead and is controlled by the secondary pin.
I'm not following your point about the Flat Left Wrist. If the Wrist was Turned through the Grip it wouldn't affect the Alignment of the Throw-out reaction. Throw-out can only produce a Closing Only Alignment (Horizontal Hinge).
Aligning the Clubface to a Flat and Vertical Left Wrist has advantages but its also the most difficult and demanding and you must always play at Low Point and its not always where you think it is.
I'm not following your point about the Flat Left Wrist. If the Wrist was Turned through the Grip it wouldn't affect the Alignment of the Throw-out reaction. Throw-out can only produce a Closing Only Alignment (Horizontal Hinge).
Aligning the Clubface to a Flat and Vertical Left Wrist has advantages but its also the most difficult and demanding.
I am saying that cf ONLY acts on the incline plane which is 2 dimensional with a sloping orientation- rotation about the club shaft axis or any approximation of this axis haqs NO cf component because that would require force perpendicular to the plane.
The ball may be addressed toe pointing below plane or hossel first and the ball will be struck that way. Club face is aligned at fix and is brought to impact by the left hand executing the selected hinge. Which is automatic and in your computer , I hope.
All mechanics and alignments- cf acts on the plane throwout is down, out and forward ON PLANE.
HB
Last edited by HungryBear : 01-16-2013 at 04:24 PM.
Keep in mind when talking about a swinger's release there is first 'uncock' and then 'roll'.
CF causes the 'uncock' - and then the hinge is in position.
The 'throw out' (pivot) - causes the 'roll' and then the clubface is aligned for impact
Very interesting points but I am in enough trouble at this thread I think so I wont Anger the HK gods but U might notice the "sequenced release" thread I am part of a couple (4) subjects above. LBG/Fundamentals
HB
Last edited by HungryBear : 01-16-2013 at 05:03 PM.
It may be productive to delete the #2 and #3 Accumulators.
Using Basic Motion.
Throw-Out? Yes (#4 Accumulator) CF
Reaction Force? No (#2 Accumulator)
Roll? Yes (Orbiting Arms)
Overtaking? No (Zero #3 Accumulator)
Clubface Alignment? Yes
At Impact Fix the Clubface was Aligned to the Target Line
The Flat, Vertical and Level Left Wist was Aligned to the Clubface
Monitor the Hands. The Clubface cannot be Monitored. Don't Jack the Hands to return to Impact Alignment. Change, adjust or increase the precision of your Pattern Components or procedures until the Hands Return to their Impact Alignments.
Hybrid Mode
