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Old 07-30-2012, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Slazman View Post
Does one have to use Single wrist action while applying a hitting technique?
Hitting Alignment. Loading the Primary Lever vs Loading the Secondary Lever.

Vary the Loading Action by Varying the Right Elbow Alignment. See Magic of the Right Forearm. At the End of Start-up, choose either to Pitch the Elbow (Standard Wrist Action) to load the Secondary Lever (Shaft), or raise the Elbow (Single Wrist Action) to Load the Primary Lever (Left Arm and Shaft).

Note that regardless of Loading action or Swinging or Hitting, the Impact Alignments are identical. The Flying Wedges are aligned at Right Angles, the Left Wrist is Flat and Level, the Right Wrist is Bent and Level, the Right Forearm is On-Plane, etc.

Note also, that because the Primary Lever is "Loaded", it cannot Swing (Throwout) although it will and should be pulled. If you make the mistake of trying to swing the Left Arm, the #3 PP will "Un-Load".

Swinging is Harnessing CF. Hitting is Overpowering CF. It's still there, it's no longer a factor.
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Old 07-31-2012, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post

Swinging is Harnessing CF. Hitting is Overpowering CF. It's still there, it's no longer a factor.
I appreciate the post, but, I have trouble understanding how CF is still there, if it were preempted by the right triceps, and what it means to say that, "it's no longer a factor", when it never was to begin with.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
I appreciate the post, but, I have trouble understanding how CF is still there, if it were preempted by the right triceps, and what it means to say that, "it's no longer a factor", when it never was to begin with.
Well, I'm not trying to trick you. Rotation induces Throwout.

Hitters stay "ahead of the Throwout". If the "Throwout" gets ahead, I would consider that to be unintentional.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:01 PM
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Well, I'm not trying to trick you. Rotation induces Throwout.

Hitters stay "ahead of the Throwout". If the "Throwout" gets ahead, I would consider that to be unintentional.
Yes, but there is no rotation in Hitting, and so no Throwout, only Driveout. The right triceps hits off a braced high right shoulder, which doesn't spin and so doesn't move the left shoulder enough to create rotation. No CF in Hitting.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:16 PM
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Yes, but there is no rotation in Hitting, and so no Throwout, only Driveout. The right triceps hits off a braced high right shoulder, which doesn't spin and so doesn't move the left shoulder enough to create rotation. No CF in Hitting.
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Think that through, use a club, and try again. Be a sport and upload the video of it.

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Old 08-01-2012, 04:37 PM
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MJ,

Think that through, use a club, and try again. Be a sport and upload the video of it.

Better yet Bump, try hard to pay attention starting at 1:05. Now use a club and go to the Top and fire the right triceps, letting go with the right hand, and see how far the ball goes from all that CF. If you have trouble doing this, try again. Be a sport and upload a video.

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Old 08-01-2012, 05:05 PM
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Better yet Bump, try hard to pay attention starting at 1:05. Now use a club and go to the Top and fire the right triceps, letting go with the right hand, and see how far the ball goes from all that CF. If you have trouble doing this, try again. Be a sport and upload a video.

Really thought that through didn't you. Thanks for proving my point. Instead of wasting time throwing feces all day, try to figure a way out.

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Old 08-01-2012, 06:14 PM
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Yes, but there is no rotation in Hitting, and so no Throwout, only Driveout. The right triceps hits off a braced high right shoulder, which doesn't spin and so doesn't move the left shoulder enough to create rotation. No CF in Hitting.
One is still pushing the left arm on a circle, and then there's the wrist uncocking, so there's still plenty of rotation of the club head so some CF. Does it matter in practice for Hitting, I don't know. As O.B. said one tries to mainly overpower it with muscular force.
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
Hitting Alignment. Loading the Primary Lever vs Loading the Secondary Lever.

Vary the Loading Action by Varying the Right Elbow Alignment. See Magic of the Right Forearm. At the End of Start-up, choose either to Pitch the Elbow (Standard Wrist Action) to load the Secondary Lever (Shaft), or raise the Elbow (Single Wrist Action) to Load the Primary Lever (Left Arm and Shaft).

Note that regardless of Loading action or Swinging or Hitting, the Impact Alignments are identical. The Flying Wedges are aligned at Right Angles, the Left Wrist is Flat and Level, the Right Wrist is Bent and Level, the Right Forearm is On-Plane, etc.

Note also, that because the Primary Lever is "Loaded", it cannot Swing (Throwout) although it will and should be pulled. If you make the mistake of trying to swing the Left Arm, the #3 PP will "Un-Load".

Swinging is Harnessing CF. Hitting is Overpowering CF. It's still there, it's no longer a factor.
Great info post on hitting , gets to the point doesn"t it?

I have been thinking about releases and started to wonder on a couple of things. I can swing, with either hand or both. That is a swinging procedure. BUT I can not hit with either hand by itself. The left must be there to checkrein the thrusting right hand. and complete a primary lever assembly. There are 2 pressure points in operation at the same time- #1 thrusting the primary lever assembly and an ACTIVE #3 which also keeps the secondary assembly "moving right along" There are all manner of options. For any stroke length, the #1 thrust can be increased or decreased- #3 pressure should follow. For any #1 thrust, the stroke length can be adjusted. #3 should follow and be constant. But, there can be an background amount of cf and it can come from a pulling, can be generated from the pivot and is realy #4 accumulator. It is background and care must be taken not to damage the work of either #1 thrust or #3 activity.

Like to hear your thoughts on this Daryl

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Old 07-31-2012, 04:16 PM
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The right forearm is always driving but it is active or being driven by the swinging left arm
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