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Old 07-29-2012, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
Left arm is moving, but not from pivot power, only from the right triceps. Check out the yellow book - Hitting accumulators are 1,2,3. No #4.
Hitting or Swinging is irrelevant, the left arm swings.


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Do U include any cf in your hitting procedure? if so, where, how, and how much?
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumpy View Post
Hitting or Swinging is irrelevant, the left arm swings.


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We have a piece of good ibformation. The left arm swings. with Zero #4 accumulator the arm swings- There is cf.

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Old 07-29-2012, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
We have a piece of good ibformation. The left arm swings. with Zero #4 accumulator the arm swings- There is cf.

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That's a piece of garbage, not good info. If the left arm swung in a pure Hiitting pattern, then Power Accumulator #4 would be included for a Hitting pattern, but it is not. The left arm is pushed out of the way by the right triceps, it doesn't swing.
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
That's a piece of garbage, not good info. If the left arm swung in a pure Hiitting pattern, then Power Accumulator #4 would be included for a Hitting pattern, but it is not. The left arm is pushed out of the way by the right triceps, it doesn't swing.
Swung is swung

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Old 07-30-2012, 02:43 AM
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MizunoJoe,

There is only one requirement for CF to be present in a golf stroke. And that requirement is strictly geometrical. Any time the club head has a somewhat curved path (which is basically all the time from top to finish) there will be CF present.

Hitting or swinging doesn't make a difference.

CF is nothing more (and nothing less) than club head inertia's response to an inward pulling effort (the other CF, Centripetal Force). The swinger manipulates these CF's to harness & control the throw-out and thereby the release. The hitter relies less on CF manipulation and more on muscle force to release the club and square up the club face, but both CF's are still present, has to be negotiated and is a key enabler to an efficient stroke with a chain reaction like release.
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:34 PM
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Standard wrist action with Hitting???
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MizunoJoe,

There is only one requirement for CF to be present in a golf stroke. And that requirement is strictly geometrical. Any time the club head has a somewhat curved path (which is basically all the time from top to finish) there will be CF present.

Hitting or swinging doesn't make a difference.

CF is nothing more (and nothing less) than club head inertia's response to an inward pulling effort (the other CF, Centripetal Force). The swinger manipulates these CF's to harness & control the throw-out and thereby the release. The hitter relies less on CF manipulation and more on muscle force to release the club and square up the club face, but both CF's are still present, has to be negotiated and is a key enabler to an efficient stroke with a chain reaction like release.
Does one have to use Single wrist action while applying a hitting technique?
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:28 PM
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Does one have to use Single wrist action while applying a hitting technique?
I don't have the complete answer to that. There's plenty of room for component variation without compensation.

But the diff between swinging and hitting starts early in the bs for me. Single vs standard wrist action is essential for the loading condition of pp#1 & pp#3 in the down swing. More of a "reverse dual horizontal" wrist action in the back swing with plenty of lag between pivot and hands for the swing. And more pivot rotation to create dual horizontal or angle hinge for the hitting back swing. I can probably do as long back swing while hitting as swinging, but then I need more shoulder turn for the hit, to get the right shoulder in position to drive the hands down plane. The swing feels more like a drop of the hands under the plane of the right shoulder to me. It's a feel thing, I know, but there is a geometrical difference right shoulder to hands between hitting and swinging and not only the PP#3 rotation. At least for me.

If you want to hit, you need to rotate pp#1 & #3 back on plane before the release. And for a 3 barrel hit, you probably should aim to keep it on plane at all times.

Just my 2cents. I have a feeling that Yoda would have a more systematic and general take on this, with more room for variation. Perhaps OB.Left too. He has a lot of ideas & knowledge about different styles of hitting. Fascinating stuff.
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Slazman View Post
Does one have to use Single wrist action while applying a hitting technique?
Hitting Alignment. Loading the Primary Lever vs Loading the Secondary Lever.

Vary the Loading Action by Varying the Right Elbow Alignment. See Magic of the Right Forearm. At the End of Start-up, choose either to Pitch the Elbow (Standard Wrist Action) to load the Secondary Lever (Shaft), or raise the Elbow (Single Wrist Action) to Load the Primary Lever (Left Arm and Shaft).

Note that regardless of Loading action or Swinging or Hitting, the Impact Alignments are identical. The Flying Wedges are aligned at Right Angles, the Left Wrist is Flat and Level, the Right Wrist is Bent and Level, the Right Forearm is On-Plane, etc.

Note also, that because the Primary Lever is "Loaded", it cannot Swing (Throwout) although it will and should be pulled. If you make the mistake of trying to swing the Left Arm, the #3 PP will "Un-Load".

Swinging is Harnessing CF. Hitting is Overpowering CF. It's still there, it's no longer a factor.
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
Swung is swung

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Only by the spinning flywheel, which isn't present in a pure Hit because it's replaced by the extending right arm from the Top. It's only swung by being blasted off by the flywheel. In Hitting, it's a dead weight being pushed out of the way by the right triceps. Were it swung, 12-1-0, Component No 4 would be Four Barrel(1/2/3/4), instead of Triple Barrel(1/2/3) as listed on p 221.
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
Only by the spinning flywheel, which isn't present in a pure Hit because it's replaced by the extending right arm from the Top. It's only swung by being blasted off by the flywheel. In Hitting, it's a dead weight being pushed out of the way by the right triceps. Were it swung, 12-1-0, Component No 4 would be Four Barrel(1/2/3/4), instead of Triple Barrel(1/2/3) as listed on p 221.
Sorry, your wrong.

2-K, -A. Centripetal Force (the Lever Assemblies 6-A) diverting Linear Force (Right Arm Thrust 6-B-1) into a rotating motion ( Hitting 10-19-A).

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