Its amazes me that some former experts think 12-5 Pull or Push , Zone 2 Minor Basic Strokes were the end of the story. They missed a few chapters there.
So Lynn's teaching a Runyanesque Pick/Paw combo then. Nice. Sounds very compatible with one Center to the motion..... a point between the shoulders. Pivot stroke . Zone 1 only. One accumulator. Nice and simple just add a consistent Hinge action (your choice but do it the exact same every time) and Bobs your uncle.
But it doesnt expand into a total motion , not with two bent arms. So its not a candidate for a curriculum to Total Motion which requires a Sameness throughout the progression from put to chip to pitch to total motion etc.
Totally fine by me in terms of how we actually play the game. Jack had that hunched over putting stance , cooked something different up for chipping too. I see a sameness in Phils game as he works through the shots. Having one straight arm in putting helps. Homers change in grip type from Zeroing out the #3 to not........ even he broke with sameness if you wanna get nit picky about it.
I just read Johnny Revolta's "Short cuts to better golf", 1949. Great read . He has what he terms the "Revolta method" which has some similarities to 12-5 in terms of sameness and progression. He also talks about "educating the hands". Being the "pro's pro" he taught this method to many a pro. The waggle itself , something Mr Hogan adopted from Revolta is an example of the Revolta Method. 12-5 is different in a lot of respects , including the waggle but I have a feeling Homer must have read the book.
Homer didnt invent everything in the book, he was more of a master of observation , definition in my opinion. A true researcher. Always asking "o.k. but why?"
If I was starting a beginner out in golf Id start him with 12-5. If I was a pro who'd lost his game I'd start my rehab with 12-5. But when actually hitting a putt or chip shot in a tourney Id probably go with my old Paw minor basic stroke just like most guys do on tour these days. There's something to be said for Sameness when learning or perfecting the game but you do have to employ what works best for you. Whatever that is.
Vive la 12-5, vive la Sameness, Vive la difference too. Hey "what ever gets through the night..."
If I was a pro who'd lost his game I'd start my rehab with 12-5.
...and you would be VERY successful.
This thread really turns me on. I used to work for a guy who was taught bunker play by Revolta. Best I ever saw in person. Hook spin, slice spin, straight away roll out, he could do ANYTHING from a bunker. Never shared the secrets with me though...
1n 1983, one of my members flew Phil Rogers in for a weekend. I was lucky enough to watch a lot of their session. Mr. Rogers taught the Runyan short game. Impeccable. I can't wait to witness YODA's version. Can't get to Cuscowilla soon enough...
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Kev there's a PGA of America presentation from the 80's available online which features Phil Rogers and one of the Harmon boys demonstrating advanced sand play. Ill try to find the link. Ive got the video and its great stuff.
Johnny Revoltas book covered the basics of bunker play nothing too earth shattering to my mind. Very similar to Yodas fluid and elegant method, with the flange via an opened face and a rotated plane line doing all the work. Longish swing with a swivel back onto the inclined plane in Finish. No huge cut a across slicing,hold off or abrupt leave it in the sand action. To get the flange to work you have to have a big flange and/ or keep the shaft vertical at fix . Revolta's personal punch face sand wedge (I have a 1930's Wilson version , very similar to the Sarazen model) has got one nice flange on it. Darn thing still works pretty good too. There's a latter day steel shafted Revolta sand wedge for sale on line right now actually for $25 if you're interested. Punched face and all.
Didnt Runyan say something to the effect that both he and Sam Snead were equals in the sand but Revolta's sand play left him agast. High praise indeed.
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