Do you mean off plane or on plane but under Hogans sheet of glass? Hogan only wanted to be under that sheet of glass it wasnt his Inclined Plane so to speak.
This here is where the components gotta match up . . . you are exactly correct on your analysis here . . . HOGAN'S PANE OF GLASS WAS ABOUT THE ARMS NOT NOT NOT GOING ABOVE THE SHOULDER TURN PLANE . . .
Therefore you are gonna have a different look to the right elbow motion . . .
So the question becomes . . . WHY would Hogan prescribe this?
This here is where the components gotta match up . . . you are exactly correct on your analysis here . . . HOGAN'S PANE OF GLASS WAS ABOUT THE ARMS NOT NOT NOT GOING ABOVE THE SHOULDER TURN PLANE . . .
Therefore you are gonna have a different look to the right elbow motion . . .
So the question becomes . . . WHY would Hogan prescribe this?
You know that clinic he did after the match against Snead .......he says something like "most people start with down with their shoulders in stead of the lower body and come over the top and hit the outside of the ball" with such distain. Maybe thats your answer? The proper Downswing Sequence and how it relates to hitting from the inside out.
Or how he illustrated his sheet of glass as pointing out to right field in Five Lessons. Maybe he just liked to come at the ball from the inside , the more the better? Even shifting down to the (true) Elbow Plane gets its more inside, more Out less Down to the clubhead orbit. The guy wore a hole in his trousers from his Right Elbow rubbing against his watch pocket. That face was wide open and the path was inside out prior to low point.....big time inside out. Absolutely no Steering in that swing, no Sir.
So with the Hands above the Right Shoulder at top......youve got problems in that the shoulders will pull the hands out and over top of the plane in startdown.
But what if the Hands are under the Right Shoulder........like they are when Hogan or Sergio are mid vertical drop? A down plane move of the Right Shoulder will have a corresponding off/under plane move of the hands wont it? What are the implications to the direction of the Shoulder turn then?
So with the Hands above the Right Shoulder at top......youve got problems in that the shoulders will pull the hands out and over top of the plane in startdown.
But the rt shoulder wont come off the TSP at start down if the rt hip clears and allow a clear path right?
Maybe a flatter BS and coming down the TSP is insurance against the opposite, a steep BS and "round house downswing?
Much of the difference between the TSP and Elbow Plane is Posture. Add a little #3 Accumulator Angle and Shazam!...
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2-P THE WRISTCOCK The Uncocking of the Flat Left Wrist is a Perpendicular Motion – not a Horizontal Motion (as defined in 4-0). The Left Wrist (6-B-2) is Cocked and Uncocked per Stroke Pattern (Chapter 12), per 4-B and per 4-D. It normally moves from “Cocked” to “Level” between Release and Impact, and from “Level” to “Uncocked” during the Follow-through.
So if the Left Wristcock is Level for Impact, then what is the difference between a TSP and Elbow Plane?
Much of the difference between the TSP and Elbow Plane is Posture. Add a little #3 Accumulator Angle and Shazam!...
So if the Left Wristcock is Level for Impact, then what is the difference between a TSP and Elbow Plane?
Originally Posted by dodger
Best thread in a long time. Interesting question. I follow David Sandridge's thoughts explicitly regarding the right hip clearing on the backswing. I have tended to turn the right shoulder too flat. Clearing the right hip on the backswing while moving the left shoulder down puts me in the position I need to be at the top. It is rotated appearing, but only because of my spine angle at setup. The more you bend from the waist, the more rotated you look. I clear the right hip at startup, my hands move in and up on plane and the shoulders do what they do according to my hands. My hands do not control the hip clearing which may be why Homer focuses on the rt hip clearing as a separate movement from the hands. But, the shoulders go where the hands tell them. Set-up, clear right hip, move hands back in and up on plane and the shoulder ends up pretty good. The pics of Toms and Goosen are illustrative because Goosen bends over a little more and his face is angled more to the ground. Interesting to hear Yoda's take, considering his recent talk on hands controlled pivot.
Man, so many wonderful comments from so many. I can't find anybody's bandwagon to not jump on. Bucket has become the master of personalizing these components for each individual. Isn't that what the machine is all about?
In my mind, if you look at Mr. Gay's shoulder turn as compared to Mr. Lovemarks, they are very similar in their inclination to the spine, which is exactly what I was trying to say. Bucket and Daryl do such a good job of showing it visually.
Thanks Guys!
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Man, so many wonderful comments from so many. I can't find anybody's bandwagon to not jump on. Bucket has become the master of personalizing these components for each individual. Isn't that what the machine is all about?
In my mind, if you look at Mr. Gay's shoulder turn as compared to Mr. Lovemarks, they are very similar in their inclination to the spine, which is exactly what I was trying to say. Bucket and Daryl do such a good job of showing it visually.
Thanks Guys!
Kevin
yea, Im diggin all the info as well....thanks fellas!
So with the Hands above the Right Shoulder at top......youve got problems in that the shoulders will pull the hands out and over top of the plane in startdown.
But what if the Hands are under the Right Shoulder........like they are when Hogan or Sergio are mid vertical drop? A down plane move of the Right Shoulder will have a corresponding off/under plane move of the hands wont it? What are the implications to the direction of the Shoulder turn then?
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