........ In the backstroke the hands have been on the plane all the time, the shoulder is getting there, getting there. Now when the hands are right shoulder high both of then are joined together. Then you can take back further - that is fine. Then trace right down that base line. .........
That describes my feel.
In a previous sentence you stated "Homer said number one reasons golfers don't improve is right hip doesn't clear in start up".
Did he mean that the Right Hip blocked the Right Elbow and that golfers should move the right hip out of the way of the right elbow or was he saying that Golfers don't know how to get passed the Right Hip when using a Right Forearm Takeaway?
Best thread in a long time. Interesting question. I follow David Sandridge's thoughts explicitly regarding the right hip clearing on the backswing. I have tended to turn the right shoulder too flat. Clearing the right hip on the backswing while moving the left shoulder down puts me in the position I need to be at the top. It is rotated appearing, but only because of my spine angle at setup. The more you bend from the waist, the more rotated you look. I clear the right hip at startup, my hands move in and up on plane and the shoulders do what they do according to my hands. My hands do not control the hip clearing which may be why Homer focuses on the rt hip clearing as a separate movement from the hands. But, the shoulders go where the hands tell them. Set-up, clear right hip, move hands back in and up on plane and the shoulder ends up pretty good. The pics of Toms and Goosen are illustrative because Goosen bends over a little more and his face is angled more to the ground. Interesting to hear Yoda's take, considering his recent talk on hands controlled pivot.
5-0 GENERAL............. If you feel your game isn’t reflecting your understanding of Alignments- STOP MONITORING THE CLUBFACE INSTEAD OF YOUR HANDS. And, unless otherwise specified, at all times – but especially during Start Down- maintain the Clubhead Lag relationship to the Plane Line – not the body. That – failure to clear Right Hip (Roundhouse) can initiate almost every alignment disruption, including SHANKING (2-F, 3-F-7-E, 6-C-2).
So, failure to clear the Right Hip is a Pivot Controlled Hands problem? This? a cause of Downstroke Shoulder Turn "Spinout" (the Right Shoulder rotating outwards, above the Plane).
In a previous sentence you stated "Homer said number one reasons golfers don't improve is right hip doesn't clear in start up".
Did he mean that the Right Hip blocked the Right Elbow and that golfers should move the right hip out of the way of the right elbow or was he saying that Golfers don't know how to get passed the Right Hip when using a Right Forearm Takeaway?
The former I believe. Hence the early first reference to "clear the right hip" in 12-3. If you dont the Hands will go out and around , to prevent the collision and take the club with them....outside. Very common back in Homers day. Outside , with an unbending right elbow and then a lot of heavy lifting to sky high hands, Turning Shoulder Plane. The fix began with the Hips clearing an inside path for the Right Elbow ....back and then down.
There's a second "clear the Right Hip" in 12-3 too.......prior to Startdown I believe, dont have my book with me, which I think relates to the Delayed turn with a Hip Slide. This clears a nice path for the right elbow to pass on the downstroke.
Hogan might have the blended the two into one movement......turnandslide. That guy cleared his Right Hip ......he had to, to attack from the inside like he did.
"Well the most important move in golf is the movement of the lower body".
Nowadays some people think you can avoid the slide all together and just turn..... interesting stuff.
Well, I can understand how someone with a Shoulder Turn Takeaway would have a problem Clearing the Right Hip. Golfers using the Right Forearm Takeaway shouldn't have that problem.
The Yellow Book is a little confusing regarding these procedures. In 10-15 Delayed Hip Action, the Shoulders lead the Hip Turn during the Backstroke. This is a Right Forearm Takeaway Procedure. An Option for Shoulder Turn Takeaways is to move the Right Hip out of the way before Start-up.
It gets more confusing in the 7th Edition, "Delayed Hip Action is the only Variation that assures "Clearing the Right Hip" in both directions (2-N-0)."
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