OB, I think those should be perfect.....I wear granny panties and std length (clubs at least) so your inch long/briefs combo should be right on the money ya y'all been served.....
Thanks JTillery and Kev ........ briefs and shaft softening is just a fact of life maybe as one gets a little older.
Seriously though , Im kinda wondering about D8 or 9. Does it have an effect? Are you guys pooping me here or being serious?
Ya , I was just thinking the same thing, European PGA maybe? A sleeper cell from Scotland, England or Sweden maybe?
Hey JT what's your favorite football team? (If he say Man U or something instead of the Vikings etc its a dead give away, eh Kev, like an acid test sorta). Me I like the Roughriders, Canadian Football League. Hmmm maybe he's a damn Canadian? UH oh.
Ya , I was just thinking the same thing, European PGA maybe? A sleeper cell from Scotland, England or Sweden maybe?
Hey JT who's your favorite football team? (If he say Man U or something instead of the Vikings its a dead give away, eh Kev, like an acid test sorta). What do I know Im Canadian.
Who won the 1964 World Series?
Oops, I guess maybe we need to ask questions we know the answer to!
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Thanks for your answers, really helpful stuff. I will check the Level Left Wrist. I always assumed that my left wrist was level at address because the right wrist looked level in a mirror. But actually the left wrist might have been cocked just a little.
I do have 1/2" longer shafts, 2 degrees upright lie and midsize grips, so I guess that should be OK (I am 6 ft. 4").
The reason behind my question on component variations was that I figured Plane Angle might need an adjustment. When I am addressing and impacting on the Elbow Plane (double plane shift) I need to bend over more from the waist to be able to get my right forearm on plane (waist bend about 45 degrees, as opposed to about 30 degrees when I am on the Turned Shoulder Plane). I feel that this lowers the center of gravity of my body and that I find it easier to retain the same degree of waist bend during the stroke. Also, this should flatten the Angle of Attack (although I am not exactly sure if that's a good thing). On the other hand, I find it more "natural" to make a Zero Plane Shift stroke on the Turned Shoulder Plane. That was my standard pattern even before I learned about TGM.
Thanks for your answers, really helpful stuff. I will check the Level Left Wrist. I always assumed that my left wrist was level at address because the right wrist looked level in a mirror. But actually the left wrist might have been cocked just a little.
I do have 1/2" longer shafts, 2 degrees upright lie and midsize grips, so I guess that should be OK (I am 6 ft. 4").
The reason behind my question on component variations was that I figured Plane Angle might need an adjustment. When I am addressing and impacting on the Elbow Plane (double plane shift) I need to bend over more from the waist to be able to get my right forearm on plane (waist bend about 45 degrees, as opposed to about 30 degrees when I am on the Turned Shoulder Plane). I feel that this lowers the center of gravity of my body and that I find it easier to retain the same degree of waist bend during the stroke. Also, this should flatten the Angle of Attack (although I am not exactly sure if that's a good thing). On the other hand, I find it more "natural" to make a Zero Plane Shift stroke on the Turned Shoulder Plane. That was my standard pattern even before I learned about TGM.
This is a great question Par 71. Theres a lot of good teachers watching this thread so Ill let em answer this.......but first of course Ill give you my hackers point of view....
- In the end, Homer preferred the TSP angle to plane shifting to the lower planes.
-The steeper the Plane Angle the less OUT there is to the clubheads Three Dimensional Line of Flight (path) and therefore there are some advantages given ball flight laws to my mind. Less Plane line Rotation for instance, less Divergence etc. Variations in ball position will effect trajectory more than initial direction or ball curvature. This is just the way it is when you consider the geometry of the circle. Circles have been like this since they were first discovered this isnt a Homer invention just a Homer insight or observation for the golfers consideration.
-flatter plane angles do have flatter associated Angles of Attack so for any given ball position less backspin.
Personally I find the TSP to be more natural for me too, no Vertical Drop of the Hands in Transition. Although I do goof with Vertical Drop when Im battling the "over the top" cut across swipe. It'll fix that quickly as the clubhead blurr starts to match up the Arc of Approach Delivery Line better ......the visual equivalent to the true path of the clubhead from the players perspective.
I also find that the TSP sorta makes the switch to a Level Left Wrist at Address easier . Not getting too #2 Angle conscious helps with this too , for me anyways. The low hands of address in my old set up were sort of like a running start on left wrist cock but with an associated price I found out.
I'd say stick with the TSP if thats easier, more natural and get the left wrist level. Im pretty sure thats what Homer or Lynn would advise in a lesson...... although if you had done a Double Shift to the Elbow Plane for years HOmer might leave it alone. But thats not your situation as it sounds to me.
The other thing to consider is the degree of Vertical Drop ....Hogan shifted down but not that much in degrees while Furyk shifts down too but with an incredible change in Plane Angle degrees when viewed DTL. You'd have to think , theoretically anyways that Hogan's minimal shift was more consistent. But it'd be crazy to change Furyks Shift at this point ......he's doing just fine and supposedly has some of the best impact dynamics on tour as measured on Trackman.
Thanks JTillery and Kev ........ briefs and shaft softening is just a fact of life maybe as one gets a little older.
Seriously though , Im kinda wondering about D8 or 9. Does it have an effect? Are you guys pooping me here or being serious?
To be serious for a moment, Id say that once you extend a club an inch or more you start getting some issues. Once you've adjusted lie angle, you still have a heavier SW with a weaker shaft. Then your club can really get to looking like the photo Lynn put up of shaft deflection. Ya. Getting into the E range from D2 or 3 is going to have some of these implications.........this isn't really my cup of sweet tea/firefly though
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To be serious for a moment, Id say that once you extend a club an inch or more you start getting some issues. Once you've adjusted lie angle, you still have a heavier SW with a weaker shaft. Then your club can really get to looking like the photo Lynn put up of shaft deflection. Ya. Getting into the E range from D2 or 3 is going to have some of these implications.........this isn't really my cup of sweet tea/firefly though
LITTLE HELP CLUBFITTERS PLEASE....
Very valid points Pro. IMHO, the changes in shaft flex are exactly what you need to watch out for and be careful with.
Kevin
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Is your driver, fairway woods and/or hybrids also longer than standard? A 45" driver, IMO, is really made for someone that needs a longer club, but the swingweight is usually in the D0 range and not balanced like the irons.
Par 71,
Forward spinal tilt varies from player to player depending upon physical attributes: arm length, height, length of torso, width of stance, etc. and according to tour averages is somewhere between 22 degrees (Jeff Sluman) and 45 degrees (Dans Forsman).
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Is your driver, fairway woods and/or hybrids also longer than standard? A 45" driver, IMO, is really made for someone that needs a longer club, but the swingweight is usually in the D0 range and balance like the irons.
Par 71,
Forward spinal tilt varies from player to player depending upon physical attributes: arm length, height, length of torso, width of stance, etc. and according to tour averages is somewhere between 22 degrees (Jeff Sluman) and 45 degrees (Dans Forsman).
I can't imagine even using 45". I'm stuck at 44.5" at D-6 swingweight and don't ever want anything longer or lighter...
Kevin
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