Although there may be minor variations for hinge type.
I am going to call the exit plane by extrapolating beyond 2 sequential alignments. Impact fix and follow-through.
at impact fix we have on plane shaft tracing plane line- and ON THE ELBOW PLANE. at follow through we have on plane shaft tracing plane line with both arms straight- no accumulator #2 or #3 left. This an TSP. There is little to disrupt the continued planar motion of the club and hands. the swivel should be minimally disruptive. So what happens. between impact and follow through there is a "raising" of the plane, elbow to tsp, so I will extrapolate a continued plane elevation above TSP. This would be facilitated by the rising shoulders of the golfer towards finish. My reasoned conclusion is the EXIT plane is plane "moderately" steeper than a TSP .
What are the alternatives?? Advanced chicken wing or the AP Helicopter? Those a very special purpose planes.
Wait till you see the whites of the Bears eyes.
The Bear
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Very nice Doctor. I like that as a possibility perhaps even a common one. "Exit plane is moderately steeper than TSP."
As an aside I think we'd both agree the Finish swivel is not at all disruptive to the on plane orbit of the clubhead.......the effort to block it is however as you allude to with your Arnold Palmer reference. There is no hand guiding the planets orbit , the universe etc.
We havent finished our definition thing on TSP but given that TSP has a range of possible angles to my mind.....that could be a pretty steep angle.
Do we need to define where the Exit is? Its a DTL view of the club coming out from behind the golfers back. Finish Swivel if there is one you'll see the clubhead with a block you get chicken wing'd left elbow etc.
Moe is maybe in the process of shifting up to his higher plane for Finish here. I bet a photo at the moment of Exit would show a slightly lower plane.
We havent finished our definition thing on TSP but given that TSP has a range of possible angles to my mind.....that could be a pretty steep angle.
Great idea.
Daryl has posted a series of drawings depicting the downswing plane(s). They are a great discussion tool. I could not relocate them. Perhaps Daryl or yourself know where they are and can repost them here???
The concept of multiple angles of multiple Planes is daunting.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Very nice Doctor. I like that as a possibility perhaps even a common one. "Exit plane is moderately steeper than TSP."
As an aside I think we'd both agree the Finish swivel is not at all disruptive to the on plane orbit of the clubhead.......the effort to block it is however as you allude to with your Arnold Palmer reference. There is no hand guiding the planets orbit , the universe etc.
We havent finished our definition thing on TSP but given that TSP has a range of possible angles to my mind.....that could be a pretty steep angle.
Do we need to define where the Exit is? Its a DTL view of the club coming out from behind the golfers back. Finish Swivel if there is one you'll see the clubhead with a block you get chicken wing'd left elbow etc.
Moe is maybe in the process of shifting up to his higher plane for Finish here. I bet a photo at the moment of Exit would show a slightly lower plane.
I feel like I just wandered into Hebrew class after the much more intuitive Greek.
But I'm sure I'll benefit from the mind expanding terminology, eventually.
ICT
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Flying an airplane requires a BASIC but counterintuitive understanding and "reflex". That is, speed is controlled by the elevators and altitude is controlled by the throttle.
"IF" Homer had titled TGM as "Elbow Plane Golf" , we could be at a different level. But, alas,(sigh) we are not.
Best place is to go back and listen and watch Yoda because he has covered what we need to know, but, in many instances we had our mind elsewhere.
We should pick this up. Its important and Lynn hasnt come in yet.
Exit plane. K. You cant get to Finish on the Elbow. Getting to Follow Through on your impact Plane would means no shift through that period, thats a good thing. But then we often finish pretty high given how we get out of our address bend posture , spine angle thing.
I dunno about Exit .......wait I shouldnt capitalize that Homer didnt identify exit.
Lynn, time for you to come in like the Count in I've Got You........... "Run for cover " boys.
We should pick this up. Its important and Lynn hasnt come in yet.
Exit plane. K. You cant get to Finish on the Elbow. Getting to Follow Through on your impact Plane would means no shift through that period, thats a good thing. But then we often finish pretty high given how we get out of our address bend posture , spine angle thing.
I dunno about Exit .......wait I shouldnt capitalize that Homer didnt identify exit.
Lynn, time for you to come in like the Count in I've Got You........... "Run for cover " boys.
I will comment without commenting if that is practical. Sometime called political correct and sometime sitting on the fence.
HK seems to have a perverse sense of humor on occasion. I should re-read 1-J and 1-k and be re-reminded that in 1-K HK points at 10-24-F, which contains "every man's" aspirations and DOOM.
Too lightly do we all wonder past chapter 13 and fail to incubate its vital message.
I feel free to comment on either basics or variations, but who am I? I can understand lynn's point if he does not comment on the question of variation because it would be like the Dr. doing diagnostics without seeing the patient.
On the other hand that may not be it at all because I am just wrong.
I am enjoying this discussion and it has made me think of a number of things.
Originally Posted by HungryBear
I will comment without commenting if that is practical. Sometime called political correct and sometime sitting on the fence.
HK seems to have a perverse sense of humor on occasion. I should re-read 1-J and 1-k and be re-reminded that in 1-K HK points at 10-24-F, which contains "every man's" aspirations and DOOM.
Too lightly do we all wonder past chapter 13 and fail to incubate its vital message.
I feel free to comment on either basics or variations, but who am I? I can understand lynn's point if he does not comment on the question of variation because it would be like the Dr. doing diagnostics without seeing the patient.
On the other hand that may not be it at all because I am just wrong.
The Bear
I have a question or two based on some facts and guesses, too. Please view this link # 5 the picture:
I think this is an Elbow Plane board. TGM encourages the building of a plane model. We know this. We also know that Mr. Kelly only spoke about (or mostly spoke about) the right or trail side of the Swing/Hit. Could it be that with a concentration on Both Arms Straight, and the Finishing Swivel and the choice of Hinges and the maintenance of the Flying Wedges until Finish, that there is no increase in the effectiveness of Impact to be obtained by other possible considerations?
I know you have considered that idea. What is interesting, though, is that by asking your questions about an Exit Plane, it really highlights The Endless Belt Effect, Both Arms Straight and The Finishing Swivel's essential contribution to the selected Plane. And those essentials bring about many other essentials! We are talking about Zone 3 here, though, not Zone 2.
Consider Yoda's remarks about "Bending the Plane" at the end of this video:
What is Bending the Plane? What causes it? What is the essential protection from Bending the Plane?
Thanks for the insights so far. Please don't stop.
ICT
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