I have a difficult time picturing how a person with two hands couldn't pull and push simultaneously.
Why couldn't they?
Works well for turning shopping carts.
Can the same hand push and pull? I don't see how.
Can one hand push and and hand pull? I don't see why not.
Is it a good thing? Wish I knew.
Seems like, in theory, it would be worth investigating.
In the World of TGM, Zone 2 is the application of mechanical advantage to increase Pivot Speed. The Straightening of the "Triangle" by Left Arm or Right Arm is mechanical advantage. The #2 Accumulator is also mechanical advantage whether it's passive or active, using CF or Power Package Thrust respectively. So, moving from bent to straight IS(part of) the mechanical advantage. It doesn't matter if you push or pull. That's only the "How". But the Pivot supplies all of the Power.
TGM is very much about the Pivot Supplying all of the Power (in Pivot Strokes). Somewhere it says that the arms should not substitute for the pivot.
Don't let me mislead you. The Arms are Power, but only in the sense that the Power comes from a "Pulley" or "Inclined Plane" or "Screw" or "Lever".
The Pivot is direct energy, stored by the Accumulators as Potential energy and released into Clubhead Kinetic Energy.
Anyway, I think I got most of that right. Pushing and Pulling is the "How" of Mechanical Advantage. Push and Pull is "How" the Accumulators are released. If three Accumulators aren't adding enough advantage, use four. That means you can store potential Power in 4 places, then increase or decrease their release overlap to refine.
Homer Kelley isn't saying that that's the way everybody gets the job done but he is saying that that's the way everybody "should" get the job done.
Quote:
No amount of effort will produce more than a player’s maximum turning speed. Regardless of effort you simply cannot push anything faster than you can run. Mechanical Advantage (1-H) must be utilized making Clubhead acceleration on “Overtaking” process (2-P, 6-M-1).
Mechanical Advantage is the factor by which a mechanism multiplies the force applied to it.
This is just a personal note from me. It's unfortunate that TGM seems so focused on pulling and pushing. Homer gave everything equal emphasis but because component variations need to be chosen in light of Hitting or Swinging, it seems to have gotten a lot of "Press" time.
Pushing and pulling is rudimentary. Absorb Zone 1,2 and 3 and keep their identities separate. The magic, mystery, answers, are not found in Hitting vs Swinging.
If I recall it right, Mehlhorn had an advice/tips where you could push out with right hand and pull in with left hand during the swing. I have the book somewhere.
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In the World of TGM, Zone 2 is the application of mechanical advantage to increase Pivot Speed. The Straightening of the "Triangle" by Left Arm or Right Arm is mechanical advantage. The #2 Accumulator is also mechanical advantage whether it's passive or active, using CF or Power Package Thrust respectively. So, moving from bent to straight IS(part of) the mechanical advantage. It doesn't matter if you push or pull. That's only the "How". But the Pivot supplies all of the Power.
TGM is very much about the Pivot Supplying all of the Power (in Pivot Strokes). Somewhere it says that the arms should not substitute for the pivot.
Don't let me mislead you. The Arms are Power, but only in the sense that the Power comes from a "Pulley" or "Inclined Plane" or "Screw" or "Lever".
The Pivot is direct energy, stored by the Accumulators as Potential energy and released into Clubhead Kinetic Energy.
Anyway, I think I got most of that right. Pushing and Pulling is the "How" of Mechanical Advantage. Push and Pull is "How" the Accumulators are released. If three Accumulators aren't adding enough advantage, use four. That means you can store potential Power in 4 places, then increase or decrease their release overlap to refine.
Homer Kelley isn't saying that that's the way everybody gets the job done but he is saying that that's the way everybody "should" get the job done.
Mechanical Advantage is the factor by which a mechanism multiplies the force applied to it.
This is just a personal note from me. It's unfortunate that TGM seems so focused on pulling and pushing. Homer gave everything equal emphasis but because component variations need to be chosen in light of Hitting or Swinging, it seems to have gotten a lot of "Press" time.
Pushing and pulling is rudimentary. Absorb Zone 1,2 and 3 and keep their identities separate. The magic, mystery, answers, are not found in Hitting vs Swinging.
great post Daryl (another keeper for my sheet, thankyou)
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COMMENTARY- Perhaps the subject should not be approached
I start with 2 notes:
This is all in fun, I do not mean to tease or annoy anyone.
I Remind everyone that, as I opened before, ”Perhaps the subject should not be approached”.
O.B. said:
Is there something outside of pushing and pulling? Can you longitudinal and radial at the same time? Can you walk in a circle and a straight line at the same time?
Ill ask Susan or John even, when Im ten feet tall............
This Alice in Wonderland quotation is often cited by the courts regarding the exactitude of the construction of language.
An example is contained within TVA v. Hill , 437 U.S. 153 [Footnote 18}
Zap! You are now 14 feet tall.
City said.
Now, "Alice" and her friends are works of fiction. I really like fiction but only as it furthers the understanding of facts.
I covered that above
Alice and HD are arguing about something a lot less grounded than our biomechanical frame. You might be a reader of some of the literary dust-ups in England or France over the use of commas or what constitutes a "real" word. Good fun! And in your quote, as I understand it, HD is actually backing itself into Alice's point. Anyway, good fun, great book!
I will cover that at the end of this
I would think that Ernest Jones would be an interesting study regarding this idea. Lag the penknife back and through but thrusting for him was tough, I bet.
By golly he would.
Daryl said: With his customary insight
Pushing and pulling is rudimentary. Absorb Zone 1,2 and 3 and keep their identities separate. The magic, mystery, answers, are not found in Hitting vs Swinging.
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I implore myself to finish the Humpty Dumpty Quotation, this time with attribution, as a means to reiterate my lead comment.
"Impenetrability! That's what I say!"
"Would you tell me, please," said Alice "what that means?"
"Now you talk like a reasonable child," said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. "I meant by 'impenetrability' that we've had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you'd mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don't mean to stop here all the rest of your life."
"That's a great deal to make one word mean," Alice said in a thoughtful tone.
"When I make a word do a lot of work like that," said Humpty Dumpty, "I always pay it extra."
—Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass, 1872
The Bear
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Hybrid Mode
