Now, I have grasped the fact that this man is using a Swing with two shifts. But can we define a Swing that is continued with one arm? I am a fan of Moe Norman as are many of you. I have noted his closed stance and with my shorter left leg, and a sharply closed and wide stance, my Pivot, FLW and FBRW (Frozen, not stirred), stays nicely on Plane which is so cool!
For a war veteran with an injury (which I am not), or for an older person, or for a really(physically) thick person (excluding my mental thickness), could this extreme form of a swing with a short backswing and a one-armed/two armed follow through offer a serious advantage? What about hitting my forehead with a sledgehammer and saying the alphabet backwards. LMAO!
Remember, we are just spitballing in the back of the room here with empty bic pens!
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Oops! Sorry Bear, I thought you'd let the "thrower" category go.
Originally Posted by HungryBear
Maybe?
No #4, No #1 before release
Left shoulder leverage?
Yank it through??
HB
I'll post my thing under a new thread.
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It seems like a closed setup really gives me a lot of time to swit!
Originally Posted by Daryl
"The Hammer" // At first I thought he was Hitting because of that weird backswing and Single Wrist Action. But then.....
His real Secret: 10-18-C #1, Horizontal Hinge Paddle-wheel Motion on the TSP. Swinger.
Maybe his strength reduces Impact Deceleration? Although he Spins fast.
Thanks Bear, although you needn't have done that. We are in for a painful couple of months of winter so we might as well be friendly.
Anywhoo...my clubs make the ball go further when I Pivot and keep my stuff frozen. What I was shocked to find was how much time I seem to have with a closed stance to decide what to do. It sort of amps up my CF. maybe balancing the front shortness? Who knows? But if the pros used to use a closed stance and they were way better than me...
Should that be how lesser physically skilled people start out? Doesn't that make the Plane much more approachable, do-able and therefore make a more effective golfer?
Since we are spitballing again, and since Stack and Tilt is our 2nd cousin sortof, and we are on the subject of easier golfing effectiveness by way of Bear's thread (I think that's what Bear was going for), has any else noticed that is is much easier to SWIT with S& T?
When I straighten my back leg and tilt on my front (one long imbalanced downhill slide), It feels like straightening my front leg and sliding my hip is so easy and that my right arm just wants to beat the crud out of the ball. It is almost automatic.
Anyway...I'm sure there is a bio-mechanical explanation for all this stuff. I'm guessing my left plastic hip just rolls out of the way in a closed stance and it give my back shoulder unrestricted permission to slide through the ground.
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I found Lynn's explanation of this in our Forum under "closed stance."
Originally Posted by Daryl
"The Hammer" // At first I thought he was Hitting because of that weird backswing and Single Wrist Action. But then.....
His real Secret: 10-18-C #1, Horizontal Hinge Paddle-wheel Motion on the TSP. Swinger.
Maybe his strength reduces Impact Deceleration? Although he Spins fast.
Our "search" function is amazing!
QUOTE # 1
Hogan's stance
I noticed Hogan had a closed stance. What I couldn't tell was how he aligned his shoulders to the target line.
I hit some balls on the range with a similar stance and actually played a round of golf that way today. I kept my shoulders square, but pulled the right foot back similar to what he does in this video.
Having the right foot back seemed to make it really easy to take the club back on an inside and flat plane....which seems to feel most natural to me. To my surprise, I did not hit a bunch of hooks, in fact I think I only hit one hook and it was purely from flipping my hands at the bottom.
I'm just curious about the geometric reasons for why this set-up produced a ton of good shots for me today. I don't think I was making any compensations....just taking it back insided and flat and trying to come down on the same plane.
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03-12-2005, 08:44 PM
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Re: Hogan's stance
Originally Posted by Trigolt
I noticed Hogan had a closed stance. What I couldn't tell was how he aligned his shoulders to the target line.
I hit some balls on the range with a similar stance and actually played a round of golf that way today. I kept my shoulders square, but pulled the right foot back similar to what he does in this video.
Having the right foot back seemed to make it really easy to take the club back on an inside and flat plane....which seems to feel most natural to me. To my surprise, I did not hit a bunch of hooks, in fact I think I only hit one hook and it was purely from flipping my hands at the bottom.
I'm just curious about the geometric reasons for why this set-up produced a ton of good shots for me today. I don't think I was making any compensations....just taking it back insided and flat and trying to come down on the same plane.
Stance Line does not effect Plane or Target Line. (2-J-2)
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03-12-2005, 08:50 PM
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The Closed Stance And The Right Hip / Right Elbow Conflict
Originally Posted by Trigolt
I noticed Hogan had a closed stance. I'm just curious about the geometric reasons for why this set-up produced a ton of good shots for me today. I don't think I was making any compensations....just taking it back insided and flat and trying to come down on the same plane.
Simply put, the Closed Stance with its automatic Short Pivot (10-12-B) produces a free Backstroke Turn (albeit with a restricted Follow-Through). This makes it easier to Clear the Right Hip in the Backstroke.
Failure to Clear the Right Hip during Start Up produces a Right Elbow-Right Hip conflict and is a problem epidemic in the Golf World. The Hands resolve this conflict without fanfare simply by going around the Hip. Unfortunately, that means you are now above Plane and must re-route the Club at some point to return correctly to the Ball. Most offenders never make it.
Hence, Homer included 'Clear Right Hip' as an important checkpoint in his Mechanical Checklist For All Strokes (12-3 #13).
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END OF 3 QUOTES AND MY CONCLUSION
So then, as you have pointed out to me several times Daryl (and thanks, again) my sense of the ease of staying on plane with a closed stance is not imagined and due to a solid bio-mechanical reason. The "Hammer Man" must have hit himself in the head with a yellow book and a hammer several times! And, for older and or newer golf students and women, an easier, effective swing might include Standard Address with closed stance, FLW,FBRW, EA, RFT...
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Cutting and Pasting Posts -- A Necessary Skill For 'Cutters and Pasters'
Okay, guys, there's been a lot of 'cutting and pasting' lately, and we gotta get better at this. I'm seeing my name (and others) all mixed up with posts from the original thread and also the current thread. See the immediately preceding post. Unless care is taken here, posts that were intended to illuminate only confuse.
Sometimes I have the time to right the ship and do. Other times, I just leave it be and roll on, knowing that it could have been made better. To that end, I'm asking Bambam to put up a 'how to' sticky on the procedure required to 'cut and paste' the posts of others.
Okay, guys, there's been a lot of 'cutting and pasting' lately, and we gotta get better at this. I'm seeing my name (and others) all mixed up with posts from the original thread and also the current thread. See the immediately preceding post. Unless care is taken here, posts that were intended to illuminate only confuse.
Sometimes I have the time to right the ship and do. Other times, I just leave it be and roll on, knowing that it could have been made better. To that end, I'm asking Bambam to put up a 'how to' sticky on the procedure required to 'cut and paste' the posts of others.
Guys come on, how are we gonna be able to get things all mixed up to make a point under these draconian rules?
I believe Daryl said it best when he said something to the effect of "TGM is a cookbook, like How To Serve Humans was".
Cant remember when he said that but Im sure I remember him saying that. Might have been at the Atlanta Country Club , not sure. Or in his audio tapes? Maybe it was one of his limited addition Collector Plates?
But can we define a Swing that is continued with one arm? I am a fan of Moe Norman as are many of you. I have noted his closed stance and with my shorter left leg, and a sharply closed and wide stance, my Pivot, FLW and FBRW (Frozen, not stirred), stays nicely on Plane which is so cool! 
Hybrid Mode
