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Old 06-03-2010, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
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What do you think the reasoning was behind the omission of the "torso at right angles to the plane" thing? Have you ever asked Yoda?

It makes sense in that any turn of the torso would maintain the on plane travel of the right forearm but ..... is that a Pivot to Hands kinda logic maybe? See the glossaries definition of Pivot for instance. Just guessing. I dunno, I really dont know.


As far as the definition of Elbow Plane goes: In the first and second, if Im reading it right, it was any plane angle which saw the Right Elbow and Forearm on Plane at Impact. Where as in later editions it was by definition a singular , low plane angle, referenced by where the Right Elbow touches the waist and amongst the many angles that can see the Right Forearm on Plane at Impact.......

I also see Okies point about it seeming to be a recommended Plane Angle in the Third. Where as in later years he apparently preferred the TSP.

Maybe Yoda'll come in here and provide some background insight?

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed but don't know where or when in the forum.

From a geometric standpoint based on the rationale Mr. Kelley gave for the Elbow Plane in the earlier editions vs. the TSP in the later . . . .which do you believe to be more compelling and why? I'll reserve my answer . . . .
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Old 06-04-2010, 10:30 AM
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From a geometric standpoint based on the rationale Mr. Kelley gave for the Elbow Plane in the earlier editions vs. the TSP in the later . . . .which do you believe to be more compelling and why? I'll reserve my answer . . . .
All geometry relates to the geometry of Impact right...........so Id say the Elbow Plane is just as valid as any of the other so called "normal Planes". (To the best of my recollection)

Homer abandoned the right angles thing, it would seem. I get the logic of it , I think, but keep going back to the glossaries definition of the pivot. Which to me is Hands to Pivot. Its all about getting the Right Forearm on Plane, however that is done by the Torso and all.
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:03 PM
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All geometry relates to the geometry of Impact right...........so Id say the Elbow Plane is just as valid as any of the other so called "normal Planes". (To the best of my recollection)

Homer abandoned the right angles thing, it would seem. I get the logic of it , I think, but keep going back to the glossaries definition of the pivot. Which to me is Hands to Pivot. Its all about getting the Right Forearm on Plane, however that is done by the Torso and all.
That's really hard to wrap your head around without a Plane Board. There's really not much difference in degrees of Angle from an Elbow to a TSP. It's hard to grasp the alignment implications.
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