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Old 05-16-2010, 03:26 AM
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I was reading that FLW is an imperative. Now I seen a lot of players that dont have a FLW while chipping and putting such as Ernie Els and Zach Johnson. It seems like to me they have a cup left wrist at impact for some shots of the short game.
This leads me to conclude that Homer's imperatives apply only to full swing?
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Old 05-16-2010, 06:51 AM
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I was reading that FLW is an imperative. Now I seen a lot of players that dont have a FLW while chipping and putting such as Ernie Els and Zach Johnson. It seems like to me they have a cup left wrist at impact for some shots of the short game.
This leads me to conclude that Homer's imperatives apply only to full swing?

There is always room for personal preference. He may simply be trying to keep his hands close and centered in the body with as little motion as possible. What may be completely within the realm of possibilities for a Pro, because of their practice, playing schedule, experience and experimentation, may be completely out of range for the typical 2 day a week player.

The Imperatives and Essentials allow you to create a 3 dimensional Impact. The Clubhead is moving down, forward and out simultaneously. Thus, you can sustain the Line of Compression while creating different Ball Flights. So, you can control where the ball is going to land.

Freezing the Left Wrist in a Bent Condition through the Impact Interval accentuates one of those dimensions more than the other two. More often than not, it's the Layman's way of executing a half-Angled and Half-Vertical Hinge. Focus on the Clubface alignment at the end of the Stroke. Is it facing more "up"?

While using a Flat Left Wrist, you can control the Clubface motion through the Ball by keeping the Flat Left Wrist perpendicular to an associated Plane. These Alignments are mostly unknown to the Pro's.

For the most part, they've spent their entire lives developing the hand-eye coordination to play with what "feels" right to each of them. It's more practical and beneficial to learn "feel" from "mechanics" rather than "feel" from "ball flight".

I know that sounds confusing, but it will become more clear as you learn more.

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Old 05-19-2010, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dlam View Post
I was reading that FLW is an imperative. Now I seen a lot of players that dont have a FLW while chipping and putting such as Ernie Els and Zach Johnson. It seems like to me they have a cup left wrist at impact for some shots of the short game.
This leads me to conclude that Homer's imperatives apply only to full swing?
Homer allowed for the equivalent of the FLW. Setup with a bent left wrist and maintain the bent left wrist through impact. Perfectly acceptable for low power - short shots and putting.
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Homer allowed for the equivalent of the FLW. Setup with a bent left wrist and maintain the bent left wrist through impact. Perfectly acceptable for low power - short shots and putting.

I have been chipping with such a setup with a good lie and ball mid-body,small rft. The chip runs straight. I have to be very careful of the chipping club, though, since the distance can be very long. I haven't mastered it yet, I need to get it to check up, or run at will. Anyway, it's fun when it works.
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Could somebody put up some players that are on the Turned Shoulder Plane through the ball? Or could you give some examples of players and I'll search out some pictures?
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Old 06-03-2010, 02:51 PM
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Could somebody put up some players that are on the Turned Shoulder Plane through the ball? Or could you give some examples of players and I'll search out some pictures?
Nicklaus, Mickelson, Senden
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Old 06-03-2010, 04:06 PM
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Could somebody put up some players that are on the Turned Shoulder Plane through the ball? Or could you give some examples of players and I'll search out some pictures?

I have more, but each picture below shows golfers with different amounts of shoulder turn at Impact.




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I have more, but each picture below shows golfers with different amounts of shoulder turn at Impact.



In your efforts to catalog . . . . was it easier to find golfers on the TSP or the Elbow Plane? I recognize Stewart Cink . . . who are the other cats? Do you think Cink is on the original base line? Or is that plane line shifted?
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In your efforts to catalog . . . . was it easier to find golfers on the TSP or the Elbow Plane? I recognize Stewart Cink . . . who are the other cats? Do you think Cink is on the original base line? Or is that plane line shifted?
Is that Cink?

The other two are amateurs who submit their swing videos for analysis. My guesstimate is that there are 20 Elbow Plane Swingers for every TSP Swinger. Long Drive Champs have more TSP Swingers than Elbow Plane Swingers but their videos are so "Circus" oriented that it's rare to find one that can be analyzed.
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:05 PM
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cink looks like its shifted. does he hit a draw?
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