Are you using the Hogan pic to demonstrate that although well past impact Hogan still has a 'lil right arm to go? No hitting up on it here, folks! Kev, you should add the upswing driver to your bag of tricks. Especially if you "need" a few extra yards and are playing to a 100 yard wide fairway. Personally I think hitting everything on the down is like taking out insurance. Cannot be overinsured (or at least that is what Bucket told me)
Are you using the Hogan pic to demonstrate that although well past impact Hogan still has a 'lil right arm to go? No hitting up on it here, folks! Kev, you should add the upswing driver to your bag of tricks. Especially if you "need" a few extra yards and are playing to a 100 yard wide fairway. Personally I think hitting everything on the down is like taking out insurance. Cannot be overinsured (or at least that is what Bucket told me)
If you are moving your arms inside and left like Hogan does, and you maintain the wedges it seems to me that the right arm has to stay bent well through impact, I would also imagine this requires a angled hinge.
Are you using the Hogan pic to demonstrate that although well past impact Hogan still has a 'lil right arm to go? No hitting up on it here, folks! Kev, you should add the upswing driver to your bag of tricks. Especially if you "need" a few extra yards and are playing to a 100 yard wide fairway. Personally I think hitting everything on the down is like taking out insurance. Cannot be overinsured (or at least that is what Bucket told me)
I like that Okie, Thank You!
Kevin
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Are you using the Hogan pic to demonstrate that although well past impact Hogan still has a 'lil right arm to go? No hitting up on it here, folks! Kev, you should add the upswing driver to your bag of tricks. Especially if you "need" a few extra yards and are playing to a 100 yard wide fairway. Personally I think hitting everything on the down is like taking out insurance. Cannot be overinsured (or at least that is what Bucket told me)
Okie, yes for sure. Insure everything, especially your goat herd if Bucket is your agent. Id say Hogan in that photo was almost done, but still in the process of Thrusting his Right Arm Down and Out a little, despite the fact he is past low point. Not saying he is actively Thrusting or anything, before some of you guys get your shorts in a knot. Thrusting is present in all good swings I'd say, be it Active or Passive, Swinging or Hitting, in that the Right Arm does straighten eventually.
My only objection is to the words "cut it" of "cut it left". Assuming the Hands travel the Inclined Plane, they will come Up and In post low point on their own. In being Left. Anyone who manipulates a pulling of their Hands to the left is courting bending the plane line to the left and at the same time misdirecting the down and out Thrust. Just keep the Hands On Plane and you're good. Hogan's hands to my mind are on plane and have therefore moved Up and In (left if you will), but his Thrust is towards the plane line. Look at how his right arm and clubshaft point at the plane line. Similarly, in a vertical plane, if in an attempt to "hit up on it" you actually changed the orbit of your hands and clubhead to actually hit up more or earlier or something , that would disrupt the circular orbit as well. Now you could adjust the plane all together to accomplish more Up or Left ..........the swinging left guys love the elbow plane for instance. Thats Plane compliant, with implications, such as the #3 Accumulator and the Roll power, less Down more OUt etc.
So Id say if you want to hit up on the ball for ballistic reasons or whatever, change the ball position and Thrust down and out as per usual. Simply put, "put a good swing on it", the clubhead will come up and in on its own and make contact.
Didnt want to get into the Swinging Left thing really. Why do I get my self in these messes? My main point is that in regard to Right Arm Thrust as per the original question.......there is just way more Down and Out than most people realize there is to be had! So fill your boots with it! Passively or Actively.
PS For all you book literate types out there:
1-L-10 "The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane force (moving toward the Plane Line)." Brackets by Homer, bold by me.
1-L-15 "The Club starts up-and-in after "Low Point" but the thrust continues Down Plane during the Follow-Through."
1-F RIGHT ARM OR LEFT "The "mystery" of the Mechanics of Golf fades away when Right Arm participation is understood (6-B-1). Whether its participation is active or passive is difficult to detect visually because in either case the Left Arm is ALWAYS SWINGING and the Right Forearm is ALWAYS DRIVING. ......"
who mentioned cutting left? Personally, "cutting left" is the feel of the sweetspot tracing the plane line as you continue back up the plane in the follow through/finish. The "right field" deal is the feel of tracing the plane line when you are moving down plane to low point. Anybody that has made a low bench type thing to ride the shaft along will be struck by how "left" the tracing sweetspot seems to take you. It is an inside out impact, not an inside out stroke. An inside out stroke disconnects the power package from the pivot in my opinion, setting up a stalled pivot scenario The cutting left crowd just lack Homer's more precise terminology and its geometric precision. Looking at Hogan can you dispute that it appears as though the clubhead is cutting left? I may be stirring the same hornets nest OB, but I do not see an active thrust of the right arm. I have to admit that it is near impossible to tell! If anything Hogan's right arm is resisting CF. Just my limited understanding as collateral here. I am now going to duck for cover...INCOMING!
Hah. Nice post. Although I dont know what you mean by "resisting CF". I agree with you Hogans still slightly bent right arm in that picture suggests to me that he was not "actively" extending it there. But the Right Arm must extend all the same, no?
As to whether I see Hogan's clubhead moving left in that photo........... yes, but mainly I see I guy staying on the Elbow Plane with an Angled Hinge Action and its associated travel. The flatter more horizontal the Plane Angle the more Left there will be post Low Point........and the more Right pre Low Point, eh? Less Down more Out in our speak. So ya, I see the clubhead, the clubshaft, the Handle ............... I know you do too. Ever build a plane board, Okie? Id love to climb into one of those things. Homer said it would be a revelation to anyone who did.
I thought gmbtempe was maybe alluding to "swinging left". I have no problem with that stuff, not that I know that much about it. But like "hitting up" I believe it is ideally done in an on plane manner. Dont force things off plane, or disrupt the clubheads orbit. Change the plane angle, OK. Change the plane angle shifts OK. Artificial axis tilt , exaggerated lean back if you must, Ok. Just dont bend the plane. Adjust the machine at address.
Simply put to Hit Up on a driver , tee it appropriately in front of Low Point and slightly Inside the Plane Line and then put a good swing on it. Meaning, hit down and out, the club will come Up and In on its own.
Nah I never did get spousal say-so to build me one of dem plane things! I did build a low bench out of PVC. As for resisting CF, I do not know what that is either You are right in that the arm must straighten at some point. That point is a maker or a breaker. I "delay" the straightening of my right elbow by making sure that my right shoulder stays on the face of the plane as long as is possible. I guess that would be resisting CF? Shoulder acceleration first. Eventually CF is allowed to do its thang. For years people have tried to create mega-accumulator lag with the angle between the left arm and club (#2Acc.) focusing on keeping the angle etc. Homer taught me (through the magnificent little yella book that is) that you can control both the 2 & 3Acc (whose existence I was oblivious to!)with the action of the right elbow. 1F is it? Right arm participation active or passive is the tie that binds...for me...at this time...barring unforseen circumstances...or a sudden drop in barometeric pressure...or the state of my digestion...or the next time a flat bellied teen hits it 50 yards past me!
Personally, "cutting left" is the feel of the sweetspot tracing the plane line as you continue back up the plane in the follow through/finish. The "right field" deal is the feel of tracing the plane line when you are moving down plane to low point. Anybody that has made a low bench type thing to ride the shaft along will be struck by how "left" the tracing sweetspot seems to take you. It is an inside out impact, not an inside out stroke. An inside out stroke disconnects the power package from the pivot in my opinion, setting up a stalled pivot scenario
The cutting left crowd just lack Homer's more precise terminology and its geometric precision. Looking at Hogan can you dispute that it appears as though the clubhead is cutting left? I may be stirring the same hornets nest OB, but I do not see an active thrust of the right arm. I have to admit that it is near impossible to tell! If anything Hogan's right arm is resisting CF. Just my limited understanding as collateral here. I am now going to duck for cover...INCOMING! 
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