Bucket: This has been something that has caused me lots of heartache over the years, I play my best golf despite it, definitely not because of it. 'Been incubating this one and had a feeling about the causes of my severe toe dive hook (pitiful to watch, and slightly embarrassing during tournaments) but as always I figured I should defer to those smarter than me.
PS-as I started this thread, I went to practice the parallel hip slide and ballstriking was much better. Is there any physical limitation or misconception that might have prevented me from doing this before?
EdZ: I used to be on the elbow plane but have worked to get on the TSP, not sure if there yet, but more right forearm magic should tidy that up. How do higher plane angles get away with some cross line action, is it because there is less Acc#3 and therefore they can get away with more of a hit?
Bucket: This has been something that has caused me lots of heartache over the years, I play my best golf despite it, definitely not because of it. 'Been incubating this one and had a feeling about the causes of my severe toe dive hook (pitiful to watch, and slightly embarrassing during tournaments) but as always I figured I should defer to those smarter than me.
PS-as I started this thread, I went to practice the parallel hip slide and ballstriking was much better. Is there any physical limitation or misconception that might have prevented me from doing this before?
EdZ: I used to be on the elbow plane but have worked to get on the TSP, not sure if there yet, but more right forearm magic should tidy that up. How do higher plane angles get away with some cross line action, is it because there is less Acc#3 and therefore they can get away with more of a hit?
Wouldn't think so . . . if your divots are toe deep . . . you ain't doing it right. Video a bunch if you can. Gotta monitor it. Azz on the wall slide it forward. You probably have to keep your butt going down your stance line longer . . . once you stop going forward you got nothing to do but spin or goat hump . . . not very good options unless your name is Mike O.
Sounds like I need lots of practice keeping my azz back and moving on line, if anything, my divots are toe deep, but that may also be due to my lie angles fitted a bit flat when I ustb on the elbow plane (had them Pings for a while now ). This whole cross line, underplane stuff also seems really sweep release-ish, 'cause it seems like it would be the only way to hit the ball, considering how far out the hands go, instead of on plane. Does foot flare contribute to this, 'cause I'm not all that flexible and flare the right foot to get more hip/shoulder turn.
Check out the shawn clement clip I posted in my thread "I keep blocking it right".
Sounds like we have similar issues.
I am drilling using balance pads to try and stop the slide.
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Sounds like I need lots of practice keeping my azz back and moving on line, if anything, my divots are toe deep, but that may also be due to my lie angles fitted a bit flat when I ustb on the elbow plane (had them Pings for a while now ). This whole cross line, underplane stuff also seems really sweep release-ish, 'cause it seems like it would be the only way to hit the ball, considering how far out the hands go, instead of on plane. Does foot flare contribute to this, 'cause I'm not all that flexible and flare the right foot to get more hip/shoulder turn.
I don't think it's really a turning flexiblity deal. Probably need to see what you are doing in your start down. If you spin early from top you may be doing that stand up move to lay the shaft down so you can still hit the inside of the ball. hard to say . . . look at your video if you can and figure out where and when your hands start getting pulled off plane. Spinning the shoulders could ge the hands out early. . . goat humping gets the hands out. You need to figure out how to pivot so you don't disrupt your on plane hand path . . . but so do I
This is why people have been obsessed with the pivot for so long. The hands will not complain...they will just comply! Prescription: 10 startdown waggles for each and every ball hit. Hit one thousand balls. Call me in 6 months! This assumes that you know how to execute a downstroke waggle! You can trace till you are blue in the face. Thrust knowing lag is a must. But you will never get it until you learn to pivot! My ball striking improved when I learned about zone 2 and zone 3, but as Mr. Kelley said the pivot needs to be trained first. It is as simple as 1...2...3! The man knew his subject!
My friend Alxe Saary, GSEB, has me drilling on balance pads to help fix my issues I discussed in another thread.
Two drills. Top of back swing drill and anti hip slide drill. Both are pump drills.
Ideal is to build up to 50 on balance pads with eyes closed at good pace.
I'll let you know when I get there!
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I think hula-hula is one of Mr. Kelley's enduring contributions. For years I worked hard on shifting my weight to the left side...with mixed results. Most times EVERYTHING went left torso and head included...then for corrective purposes down and back. Now I know it is the most subtle of moves. If you can move your hips without moving your head you can play great golf! When I ask my players to shift their hips they tend to do what I did for many years. When I tell them about hula-hula flexibility they are encourage only to be foiled by their inability to do it with a ball in front of them. Let me add to my former prescription: 2 minutes of hula-hula in the mirror without a club...everyday...for three weeks! Nothing else matters much if you cannot do it properly
EdZ: I used to be on the elbow plane but have worked to get on the TSP, not sure if there yet, but more right forearm magic should tidy that up. How do higher plane angles get away with some cross line action, is it because there is less Acc#3 and therefore they can get away with more of a hit?
Basically the flatter the plane, the closer to horizontal hinge, the more vertical the plane, the closer to angled. The closer to angled, the more towards a hitter's pattern (with cross line hips being)
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). This whole cross line, underplane stuff also seems really sweep release-ish, 'cause it seems like it would be the only way to hit the ball, considering how far out the hands go, instead of on plane. Does foot flare contribute to this, 'cause I'm not all that flexible and flare the right foot to get more hip/shoulder turn.
Call me in 6 months! 
This assumes that you know how to execute a downstroke waggle! 
You can trace till you are blue in the face. Thrust knowing lag is a must. But you will never get it until you learn to pivot! My ball striking improved when I learned about zone 2 and zone 3, but as Mr. Kelley said the pivot needs to be trained first. It is as simple as 1...2...3! The man knew his subject!
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