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Old 09-08-2009, 12:30 PM
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Hi Yoda,

Can you or one your machinist give us a TGM break down on Steve Srickers swing pattern? Johnny Miller was commenting on how little wrist action he uses and how it might be a good swing pattern for amateurs emulate.

With the lack of accumalator lag how does he get 290 out of his driver? Drive load? hitter or swinger? Angle hinging?

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Old 09-08-2009, 12:41 PM
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sorry about the typo's it's Monday...err Tuesday
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Old 09-08-2009, 01:21 PM
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With the lack of accumalator lag how does he get 290 out of his driver? Drive load? hitter or swinger? Angle hinging?


Looks like a swinger to me - goes past top and looks to be a horizontal hinge.

I saw that part of the telecast, also, and I think he was hitting a very controlled iron shot into the green on that one. If I had to guess, I think he purposely used less #2 there. Looking at the above video, he's got close to a 90 degree bend between his left arm and the club shaft, and his right elbow is definitely bent, further indicating he's established an out-of-line condition. Looks to me like he sustains that angle deep enough into his swing that it would be power generator. Personally, I think #2 is a little overrated for distance; not saying you won't hit if further with more #2, just that you can hit it plenty far without a lot of #2.
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Old 09-08-2009, 02:44 PM
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Ben,

yea it was the short iron shot I was looking at too that appeared to be angled.

I always get #2 and #3 confused. Is #2 the left wrist throwing out or swiveling back up plane?

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Old 09-08-2009, 06:49 PM
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Ben,

yea it was the short iron shot I was looking at too that appeared to be angled.

I always get #2 and #3 confused. Is #2 the left wrist throwing out or swiveling back up plane?

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My apologies; I was using shorthand and should've been more specific. When I was referring to #2, I was referencing what a lot of people call "accumulator lag" and what you and Johnny Miller were referencing in regards to Stricker's seemingly never cocked/uncocked left wrist.

So #1,2,3, and 4 all reference a power accumulator and a corresponding pressure point. The 2 we've referenced are 1 and 2, and they are somewhat related.

#1 accumulator is the amount of bend in the right arm (for a righty), and the pressure point is the right heel pad pressing against the left thumb. For a swinger this is passive, as the right arm straightens but isn't consciously driven straight.

#2 accumulator is the angle between the left arm and the top of the left hand (cocked vs. level wrist). This is most easily seen by the angle between the left arm and the club shaft, or simply by looking at accumulator #1. Assuming a level right wrist, if the right arm is bent more than it was at impact fix, then there is some amount of #2 accumulator established. This is what most talking heads refer to when they say "lag" and is what guys like Hogan, Sergio, and Boo Weekly all max out then release very late in their swings. The #2 pressure point is the last 2 fingers in the left hand, and you really feel this when the club 'throws out' and that angle between the left arm and shaft gets inline.
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:18 AM
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I gotcha, I know about #1 and #4, thanks for clarifying #2...

One more question, when you say "further indicating he's established an out-of-line condition" what are you referring to?

flying wedge out of wack?

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Old 09-09-2009, 11:03 AM
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I gotcha, I know about #1 and #4, thanks for clarifying #2...

One more question, when you say "further indicating he's established an out-of-line condition" what are you referring to?

flying wedge out of wack?

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All 4 power accumulators are out-of-line conditions that are trying to get inline or straight - eg. a bent right arm, cocked left wrist, angle between your hands and the club shaft (this one is a little confusing, as the angle doesn't really increase during the swing), and your left arm across the chest. Every power accumulator is loaded by increasing the angle and the power is released when that angle is straightened or seeks an inline condition. Each accumulator is felt and monitored through a corresponding pressure point. More angle doesn't necessarily mean more power, but more pressure does.

What I was saying in my previous post is that you can usually identify left wrist cock by looking at the wrist or the right arm bend. I say "usually" because this depends on a flat right wrist, or as you put it a non-"out of whack right arm flying wedge". Since the bending right arm also cocks the left wrist, the two accumulators are closely related, although one of the two is usually passive depending on whether you're hitting or swinging.
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good stuff, thanks Ben...
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