Sounds good . . . do you have any before and after video? I'd be interested to see if you motion changed? Or if you were just generating more speed with the same motion?
I've uploaded a video I took in my backyard on 1 July, and then another tonight. There are already shots from April so that will give you something to compare against.
The 1 July 09 shots were after doing about a month of PST. Tonight would be about 2 and a half months, I estimate about 20 sessions which would take about 30 minutes each.
Actually I'll be interested myself in having a look - as I've said I have no pattern that I'm working towards, this stuff has just come out of the exercises.
I will add a proviso that all of these are taken without a ball, just practice swings. I have no idea how much this changes when I'm actually addressing a ball.
I will add a proviso that all of these are taken without a ball, just practice swings. I have no idea how much this changes when I'm actually addressing a ball.
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The ball changes everything. One of Homers biggest revelations and the basis of much of his theory. He didnt steer dandelions in his yard but he did when confronted by a golf ball. Steering and Throw Away. I look like George Knudson in my yard........if only I could look that way in the presence of a ball. I have hundreds of video examples to prove it. Pathetic though they are.
Homers advice , obtuse though it was, is very practical.
The ball changes everything. One of Homers biggest revelations and the basis of much of his theory. He didnt steer dandelions in his yard but he did when confronted by a golf ball. Steering and Throw Away. I look like George Knudson in my yard........if only I could look that way in the presence of a ball. I have hundreds of video examples to prove it. Pathetic though they are.
Homers advice , obtuse though it was, is very practical.
Cheers.
Yeah OB, couldn't agree more - that was my thought behind the proviso.
I first discovered TGM and G.O.L.F. at ISeekGolf.com in Australia (my home). And what I discovered was wonderful. A terminology that was so much more precise. Some clear imperitives and why they are so important. And lots of information about how there are many many ways to hit a golf ball and the only difference between them is that some are generally more effective at lowering your score than others (if you get what I mean). I really like the concept of learning feel from mechanics and then repeating the feel to create the mechanics. But I found that it took me a lot of time, and that it was very easy to lose it again. And I struggle for the time.
I also am not a natural when it comes to golf. I probably played my first game at 12. I'm now 38. It took me until I was about 26 to break 100. Then after going to the range and getting lessons I finally broke 90 about 6 years ago. And I've plateau'd since then.
When bioengine first introduced me to what he did I was wary, because lets face it there is barely a web site you can get on to these days that doesn't have an ad saying "This is the secret to golf". But I asked lots of questions and he showed me what he did on a web conference. And where it spoke to me is that it said there is an optimal way for your body to work to swing a tool hard - golf club, tennis racquet, baseball bat, axe, whatever. There are ways that consistently deliver power in a way that moves the ball the way you want it to. And I thought that this was at least partly a reason why some people are just good at sports - because they have a good kinetic link. You know, there are people who go out and their first round they hit 95.
So I know that I am not one of those people. Never been a natural at any sport. Golf was no exception (as you can see from my stats above). So here is someone saying they can analyse my movement patterns AND give me specific exercises to improve mine. And they are working. I don't know why. Some of them are, as bioengine calls them "silly little exercises". But today I completed them in about 25 minutes. I should do them 3 times a week, but I generally only do them twice. And three days ago I hit 9 out of 13 fairways and hit 8 GIR and another 4 that were just off. And I would have hit at least 5 drives that were 20-30 metres longer than my norm - 240-250m instead of 210-220m.
So I'm very happy with results so far - after only 10 weeks!
I've uploaded a video I took in my backyard on 1 July, and then another tonight. There are already shots from April so that will give you something to compare against.
The 1 July 09 shots were after doing about a month of PST. Tonight would be about 2 and a half months, I estimate about 20 sessions which would take about 30 minutes each.
Actually I'll be interested myself in having a look - as I've said I have no pattern that I'm working towards, this stuff has just come out of the exercises.
I will add a proviso that all of these are taken without a ball, just practice swings. I have no idea how much this changes when I'm actually addressing a ball.
Most who practice to not hit the deck will do struggle to make low point when it counts.
Not saying you do not. Beware ingrained practice is hard to shift unless its correct practice of ball striking routines.
If you did this on grass, I assume the club would be "divoting".
Yeah, no problems with getting down and creating divots these days. I was only hovering that high to avoid smashing the club into the pavers (as I'm sure you figured). On the course my problem was the opposite! Actually took some divots with my driver before hitting the ball! Nothing deep, and wasn't losing much distance, surprisingly. But I could see a strip before the tee on a couple of drives. I've been resting the driver on the ground but might need to start hovering it to start at the right height.
Chuck Evans: Years ago, when we first met, I was in Moe’s group playing in a tournament in the Florida “winter tour series”. After playing together in a couple of these events I said to Moe, “teach me how to swing like you”. He replied, “swing like you, not like Moe”.
It took me a few years to fully comprehend what he meant. I first thought he was politely telling me to take a hike and go figure it out for myself, then I realised that what he actually meant, was no one can completely duplicate the motion of another player. We all have certain restrictions in our strokes and what one player can do physically or mentally another player may not.
This is evident today with teachers attempting to teach Moe’s procedure. There have been no players to date that have had the success of Moe Norman! There are no players that have won any tour events using Moe’s procedure because they cannot duplicate precisely what he did. There are players that say they use Moe’s procedure but none of them actually do. They use variations of what they think Moe did.
People have tried to emulate Hogan, Nicklaus, Tiger, Snead, Nelson, and a host of others but they will all fail. The only way a player can exactly duplicate another player is to have:
The same physical structure and flexibility
The same mind set
The same personality style
This surely relates to biomechanics and the notion that there is a 'best way' for all of us to golf our ball.
__________________ The student senses his teacher’s steadfast belief and quiet resolve: “This is doable. It is doable by you. The pathway is there. All you need is determination and time.” And together, they make it happen.
Chuck Evans: Years ago, when we first met, I was in Moe’s group playing in a tournament in the Florida “winter tour series”. After playing together in a couple of these events I said to Moe, “teach me how to swing like you”. He replied, “swing like you, not like Moe”.
It took me a few years to fully comprehend what he meant. I first thought he was politely telling me to take a hike and go figure it out for myself, then I realised that what he actually meant, was no one can completely duplicate the motion of another player. We all have certain restrictions in our strokes and what one player can do physically or mentally another player may not.
This is evident today with teachers attempting to teach Moe’s procedure. There have been no players to date that have had the success of Moe Norman! There are no players that have won any tour events using Moe’s procedure because they cannot duplicate precisely what he did. There are players that say they use Moe’s procedure but none of them actually do. They use variations of what they think Moe did.
People have tried to emulate Hogan, Nicklaus, Tiger, Snead, Nelson, and a host of others but they will all fail. The only way a player can exactly duplicate another player is to have:
The same physical structure and flexibility
The same mind set
The same personality style
This surely relates to biomechanics and the notion that there is a 'best way' for all of us to golf our ball.
I think bioengine said somewhere earlier in the thread that when they screen top ball strikers they all have very similar biomechanics, even though their swings are very very different. The training I have received has absolutely nothing like a swing pattern to aim for. You do the exercises and they train the body to move more efficiently. For one person that might look like Jack, another like Hogan, another like Trevino, and another like Moe. But actually everyone will just look like themselves. There is literally nothing like a visual pattern. bioengine has said to me that visually he cannot assess people's biomchanics. There is no "look", no series of positions, no specific planes, no specific set up rules, no nothing. In fact bioengine made me promise that when I swing I am not allowed to think about "doing" anything. His recommendation is simply to have a visual of the result you want. Sometimes I cheat and just focus on a spot on the back of the ball because I am not good at visualisation yet.
I think what I am doing based on biomechanics fits exactly with what Moe said. You do these exercises and then you go out and just let your body hit it the way it wants to.
I am sorry if I am coming across like a salesman. I will catagorically state that I don't work for bioengine, we have no business or personal arrangements or kickbacks. Our only relationship is that I have paid to be screened and have a personal tarining regime supplied.
I'd never heard of biomechanics before, so maybe that helped because I didn't have any preconceptions. I would be amazed if in a fairly new field in such a complicated area that there wern't failures. Overpromising and underdelivering. People with dubious qualifications selling snake oil.
All I can say with my relationship with bioengine and the business he is a part of to date is that the results have been there for me to see, and for the people who I play golf with to see. bioengine has backed up what he's told me. He has been open with information and time to show me what it is he does and why what he does works.
Why I've responded to many of the questions raised here is twofold: one because it has helped me, and I know how frustrating golf can be, so I hope that people will investigate and find out if this can help them. I don't know what it's like in the US but bioengine has been prepared to show me why he's worth my investment. Of course it was still a risk because I'd never heard of anyone who has benefitted. I have since!
Second is because many of the questions and comments have seemed to me to be based on assumptions about what bioengine is selling and not what he really has to offer. Styles - I know you on another forum so I hope you know me well enough to believe that I was not having a go at you in my previous post. I think that when you heard "best way" you assumed things - maybe previous experiences with position golf stuff, or other "My pattern is better than your pattern" stuff. But bioengine has always said to me that what he teaches doesn't take away the need for TGM or golf pro teachers. But there are aspects of people's golf that his training is better able to help than traditional methods. For example, I have heard of drills where you try and have the feeling of skipping a stone. I suspect that this is trying to tap into our natural biomechanics and apply them to the golf swing. bioengine would say that he can help us go beyond tapping into our natural biomechanics and actually help us to improve them. Then when we apply them to the golf swing we get a better result. Golfguru has uses the analogy of throwing a ball many times. This is tapping into our natural athletic ability. bioengine's training will probably help me to be better at throwing a ball. And if I can bring that to my golf swing I will also have a better swing.
Not sure how much sense that made. But all I can do is try ... It would help if I could learn to say something with less words!
No Pivot. Zone 1 not functional. You're not Balanced.
"Work" should be done with the Lower Body and Core Muscles.
It's like riding a Bicycle. Legs do the work (feet, knees, Hips) arms and hands direct.
Shoulders are simultaneously part of the Pivot and Power Package. The Right Shoulder is Thrown by the Pivot.
Learn Zone 1 Separately. Learn Zone 2&3 Separately.
“Reverse every natural instinct and do the opposite of what you are inclined to do, and you will probably come very close to having a perfect golf swing.” Ben Hogan.
Hybrid Mode
