Drewitgolf,
Not sure you can have access to the Research, Science there's tons of information on golf biomecahnics on regarding physics.
Human motion (biomechanics) is based on physics.
Homer speaks about this topic on his tapes he recorded, there's 120 hours worth and i'm not sure you can get uour hand on this either very few people have copies.
Drewitgolf,
Not sure you can have access to the Research, Science there's tons of information on golf biomecahnics on regarding physics.
Human motion (biomechanics) is based on physics.
Homer speaks about this topic on his tapes he recorded, there's 120 hours worth and i'm not sure you can get uour hand on this either very few people have copies.
I have spent many hundreds of hours listening to Mr. Kelley's work and I don't ever recall hearing him say that.
These are all just words and words have meaning and some of you haven't the faintest clue what those long established widely accepted meanings are.
Physics specifically a BRANCH of physics called MECHANICS pertains to the study of forces and motion. Isssac Newton is the father of that branch of physics. He invented calculus to describe it and he wrote the Principia.... CREDIT WHERE DUE.
MECHANICS is subdivided in to STATICS AND DYNAMICS. Dynamics is the study of MOTION including the FORCES which cause that motion. KINEMATICS is the study of MOTION withOUT regards to forces.... some might say KINEMATICS is what TGM calls GEOMETRY (but GEOMETRY IS A BRANCH OF MATHEMATICS which dates back at least 5000 years to Summeria... Homer is not the father of Geometry)
The latest buzz word making its way around the misguided golf world is "Kinetic Chain"... Some people foolishly speak about "Snapping their Kinetic Chain". They are clueless. There is an entire discipline devoted to the study of what these know-it-alls call the kinetic chain called: MECHANISMS. The study of MECHANISMS (in this case the human mechanism) involves how to create a desired motion including the DYNAMICS and KINEMATICS (forces and Geometry)
GOLF IS NOT about Conservation of Momentum (angular or linear). The physicist that advised Dante and started misunderstanding GOT IT WRONG. Chochran and Stobbs GOT IT WRONG. The golfer is NOT a body subject to a CENTRAL FORCE.
The GOAL of a golfer is to get the club head properly oriented and moving on the optimal path with the highest possible velocity. When the mass of the club head meets the mass of the ball MOMENTUM is transfered from the club head to the ball. Everything else is bullcaca.
The GOAL of a golfer is to get the club head properly oriented and moving on the optimal path with the highest possible velocity. When the mass of the club head meets the mass of the ball MOMENTUM is transfered from the club head to the ball. Everything else is bullcaca.
Is "Bullcaca" a Physics Term?
It's about time someone said that (but don't use "highest possible velocity" short putts). That's exactly what I was going to say. Except the last paragraph needs a few words about the Clubface motion through the Impact Zone otherwise I'll be talking to the Drink Cart Girl while you're looking for your ball.
scotty, get me an email, Stevie is still interested in taking the cube for GAA.
Everyone else, I think that biomechanics are one more piece to the jig saw. Scotty knows his stuff, play nice or he'll disappear. He has plenty of good stuff to share.
__________________ The student senses his teacher’s steadfast belief and quiet resolve: “This is doable. It is doable by you. The pathway is there. All you need is determination and time.” And together, they make it happen.
scotty, get me an email, Stevie is still interested in taking the cube for GAA.
Everyone else, I think that biomechanics are one more piece to the jig saw. Scotty knows his stuff, play nice or he'll disappear. He has plenty of good stuff to share.
GPStyles,
I am having trouble deciding if Scotty's posts are an additional piece of the puzzle, or being disrespectful to what we are here to learn. Your post is allowing me to give him the benefit of the doubt a little longer...
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
Kevin,
My aim isn't to be disrespectful to anyone or Homer.
Homer has great information.
Kevin I had an accident which ended my playing career, when I made a come back I shot 108. I went to the best TGM coaches and no one could help me, my back hurt when I swung the club and couldn't hit it.On video my swing looked awesome geometry wise. I realized there was another piece to the puzzle and went searching and discovered biomechanics and physics. Now I can shot par and below, my back doesn't hurt any more cause I know how to use my body effectively. My issues were physics. I don't blame the coaches they were geometry not physics.
Even with my own students they weren't getting great results when I taught them TGM, there was a missing puzzle.
I'm wanting to share with golfing world another piece to the puzzle and if we are all honest with ourselves there is a missing piece of the puzzle. All I'm trying to do is share the missing puzzle.
Brian Gay has good physics I can tell you this first hand he had been doing this for the last 14 years before he went to TGM.
Greg Norman Has great Physics, Els, Price and Faldo all the greats had good Physics and we taught Physics.
Most of the top coaches call us in behind the scenes to give teach their students movement patterns ( physics).
Kevin all I'm doing is speaking the truth and reality, it's up to each person to how they perceive this. As I said I want to share the full story.
Kevin coaches our welcome to come and learn our world and then incorporate this into their teaching.
My goal one day is this will be become part of the PGA teaching curriculum for the better of the game.
The GOAL of a golfer is to get the club head properly oriented and moving on the optimal path with the highest possible velocity. When the mass of the club head meets the mass of the ball MOMENTUM is transfered from the club head to the ball. Everything else is bullcaca.
For Scotty to say 'he was in a bit of an accident' is like describing Everest as 'a bit of a bump in the ground'!
Be patient with him, as a result of the accident what he is thinking and what he is typing are not always the same but he is a very smart guy working with Chris Welch who I believe is not so much at the cutting edge of bio mechanics but the guy who sharpens the cutting edge!
One thing I will warn you of now though is that just the same as you teaching pros charge someone for a lesson, Scotty does not give anything away for free so can only talk generals rather than specifics.
__________________ The student senses his teacher’s steadfast belief and quiet resolve: “This is doable. It is doable by you. The pathway is there. All you need is determination and time.” And together, they make it happen.
Had small back problems from golf previous to my accident. Although in my accident my whole body was crushed and left me fighting for my life. As a result of my accident every disc in my back is now permanently bulged.
When I made a come back I simply couldn't get into the same position prior to my accident. Although saying that my impact position prior put huge strains on my back any way and wasn't an effective movement pattern anyway.
My hips at impact were to open at impact this put extension on the trunk and hyper extension and hyper felxion on my spine.
In a nut shell I didn't stabilize at impact anyway.
After my accident I develop a lateral slide naturally as my bodies attempt to protect my back, this also put hyper flexion and extension on my spine.
(might I say everything I have mentioned above you couldn't pick up on video.)
My issues were lower body mechanics was the key root to my problems. Even prior to my accident.
First issue was I didn't have ground forces I couldn't grip the ground to create lower body stability at impact.
Second issue was I couldn't develop hip rotational speed and stabilize my lower body. So i had to train my lower body how to develop ground forces, stability and hip rotational speed.
Once I learn how to develop good lower body mechanics,my next issue was I didn't know how to turn around the axis of my spine and create separation so I could not load and fire my muscles and maintain conservation of momentum.
I had to train my upper body how to create separation, how to load and fires my muscles.
Once I learn to stabilize my lower body at impact this allowed my upper body to close so my hips and shoulders were perpendicular to my spine at impact.(hips at impact being 20 degrees open).
This then put no force or strain on my back. Also knowing how to turn around the axis of my spine reduce hyper extension and hyper flexion on my spine so my back no longer hurt.
Stabilizing my lower body also reduce extension on my trunk and reduce rotation torque on my spine as well.
also having stabilization at impact and being able to turn around the axis of my spine allow me to transfer conservation of momentum and create a better kinetic link.
This was done by dynamics and plyometrics, training my body ,this training wasn't golf specific, it was about developing movement patterns so my body learn how to move effectively swing a golf club.
To be honest I'm striking the ball even better then prior to going to have a crack on tour prior to my accident. My back doesn't hurt either.
There are a few biomechanic companies I don't agree with either when they say you should turn x amount of degrees etc, that isn't important.
What is important is how do we develop the movement patterns and dynamics to get our bodies to move our body the it is designed to in the golf swing and reduce injuries.
How do we train our body to create movement patterns is the key. Which is what we do.
Last edited by bioengine : 08-02-2009 at 10:33 AM.
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