There are two worlds in golf Geometry and Physics
Homer is Geometry and biomechanics is the physics which drive the geometry.
Biomecahnics they try to understand how the body moves in motion etc
There are two thing which motor the geometry.
Conservation of Momentum and Muscular loading, (loading and firing the muscles)
The Kinetic Link represent the body's ability to create conservation of momentum whereby summating speed from segment to segment such that the speed at the end of the speed of the chain or system is moving at a much larger speed then the first.
This starts from the ground up, feet hip segment,shoulder segment,arms segment and followed by the club.
Also the other factor is load and firing the muscles which drives each segment.
This is physics and the kinetic link applies in throwing or in tennis, baseball, softball any bat and ball sport.
It's physics you can't ignore the laws of physics. In order for the geometry to work you must have physics.
Last edited by bioengine : 07-30-2009 at 12:39 PM.
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This starts from the ground up, feet hip segment,shoulder segment,arms segment and followed by the club.
This "starts from the ground up" mantra has always been a puzzle to me.
I have spent hours at address waiting for something to happen "from the ground up" and I would still be out there now but for the fact that I found out the club only moves once the hands that are holding it are put in motion!
I do appreciate that the ground has a part to play in the swing but surely this is only in relation to the opposing/resisting of the force applied in the down swing.
Hey Burner, hope is all well.
It's newtons' law conservation of momentum. Pure physics.
Golf, tennis, throwing a ball you create ground force which creates
conservation of momentum.
Geometry (homer) you won't learn how to do this through geometry, you need to be taught human motion physic how to create ground forces, conservation of momentum, loading and firing of the muscles.
Geometry can't teach this.
Golf swing is 90% physics and 10% geometry, you poor guys put 90% into 10% of what creates a golf swing and this is why you all struggle with golf.
Where as you train your body how to create physics then you can apply geometry and have success.
Burner how can you grip the ground when you have never been taught how to? Geometry won't teach you how to.
Oneday I hope you meet someone show you physics and enjoy the feeling of gripping the ground just like hogan did.
It's newtons' law conservation of momentum. Pure physics.
Golf, tennis, throwing a ball you create ground force which creates
conservation of momentum.
Geometry (homer) you won't learn how to do this through geometry, you need to be taught human motion physic how to create ground forces, conservation of momentum, loading and firing of the muscles.
Geometry can't teach this.
Golf swing is 90% physics and 10% geometry, you poor guys put 90% into 10% of what creates a golf swing and this is why you all struggle with golf.
Where as you train your body how to create physics then you can apply geometry and have success.
Burner how can you grip the ground when you have never been taught how to? Geometry won't teach you how to.
Oneday I hope you meet someone show you physics and enjoy the feeling of gripping the ground just like hogan did.
Impact
Geometry: The Clubhead Path and Clubface motion 3" before to 3" after the Ball is purely Geometry. Alignment Golf.
Physics: I want to hit the ball with the Sweetspot.
Geometry: I want the Clubhead to be Traveling a Path, Down, Out and Forward. I want the Clubface to be Closing and Hooding. (The Hooding Part is slight).
Physics: This results in a perfect "Sustained - Line of Compression".
Daryl,
No those type of physics, human motion physics.
The club moves around the axis of the spine.
If you learn to apply the right movement patterns or Kinetic Link. The clube will move around the axis of the spine.
The only geometry needed is squaring the face up at impact and knowing how to align your body square to the target.
Daryl,
Not those type of physics, human motion physics.
The club moves around the axis of the spine.
If you learn to apply the right movement patterns or Kinetic Link. The club will move around the axis of the spine.
The only geometry needed is squaring the face up at impact and knowing how to align your body square to the target.
Golf is 90% physics ( Movement patterns)
Ok, I understand your meaning.
You say Kinetic-Link, Human Motion. To TGM, Motion is Geometry, Action is Physics.
The Kinetic Link term includes Geometry and Physics. We strive to separate the Motion from the Work it performs and then Align them to create the greatest possible force and direct that force to the ball. To us, "Hip Motion" is the way the Hips move or Don't move and whether they Allow or Prevent other motions from occurring. "Hip Action" is the work that Hips perform such as Driving the Right Shoulder.
Foot Action, knee, Hip, Right Shoulder, Right Triceps, Elbow, Wrist, and Hand, ALL have Actions which have Centers and are Linked in the Kinetic Chain. We recognize their substantial contribution but realize that they aren't enough for us. We need more P-o-w-e-r. We Have Accumulators. (All Golf Swings have Accumulators; it's my sense of humor)
So, TGM states there can be a significant amount of Motion but that Motion itself doesn't contribute Force to the Ball. You need the Kinetic Linking of Actions. These Motions and Actions need to be Sequenced and Aligned in such a way to bring Maximum Force Upon the Ball through the Impact Interval.
If you say that the Kinetic Link will produce most of the Alignments necessary we would also agree. We call this "Pivot Controlled Hands". The Body, through the Kinetic Link will produce all the Force, Motion and Alignments needed to Hit the Ball. It's How most Golfers try to Swing.
We don't say that the Physics are secondary. Without Action, the Kinetic Link, you can't have Golf (or any sport). We only say that Actions need Alignments and Actions and Alignments can and should be directed. Starting with the Feet, moving up the Kinetic chain all the way to the Clubhead, the more Force the Better. The greater these Forces become as the Swing progresses, much, much better. Align and direct these Forces by controlling the Clubshaft, Clubhead and Clubface, the Best. But then you're back to TGM, and that's what we try to do. We don't simply want to hit the Ball Far, but we want to make the Ball do, what we want it to do.
Maybe Homer Kelley is the Father of "Human Motion Physics", the "Kinetic Link", "Biomechanics of Golf". Any one of those Tag Lines would be comfortable on the Cover of the little Yellow Book.
Daryl,
Since I was a boy i was taught TGM although had great physics before I was introduce to TGM.
People highly regard my ball striking abilities I can play the game.
This is my question.
TGM doesn't teach an instructor or student how to apply physics and dynamics.
TGM doesn't teach us how to train our body to create a kinetic link.
How to create conservation of momentum or how to load and fire our muscles.
This is a specialized field within it's self.
TGM doesn't teach us how to train movement patterns or how to create them and trying to hold and create angles isn't going to teach us this.
I respect Homer and his work although to many instructors and students get caught up on Geometry.
Homer gives us an understanding of the geometry although the physics on how it's applied homer doesn't elaborate on.
There's no mention of short/stretch cycle or neuromechanics.
How to train the body or how the body functions.
We are flesh and bone, not levers and hinges.
I think people should open up there eyes and minds. Look beyond the Yellow book it's only one part of the full story.
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Daryl,
No those type of physics, human motion physics.
The club moves around the axis of the spine.
If you learn to apply the right movement patterns or Kinetic Link. The clube will move around the axis of the spine.
The only geometry needed is squaring the face up at impact and knowing how to align your body square to the target.
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