Law of the Flail. Endless Belt Effect. Accumulators. Straight Line Delivery Path. Snap Release.
What this study teaches is that after spending time and money, nothing is learned that wasn't already known, and the summary information won't reduce your scores by a single stroke. Geeks.
D . . . Question for you . . . In another thread on Right Forearms you have sited Sergio for "throwaway" . . . . now we can certainly debate his Power Package alignments at Impact . . . but I will agree with you that the integrity of his wedges are compromised certainly after the ball is gone and maybe before. BUT . . . . . most of the pros believe that he is the best ball strike on tour . . . .
So what is he doing correctly that overrides his Flying Wedge alignments?
I would put my Flying Wedge alignments up against most on this forum and not be embarrassed . . . BUT I can certainly hit some shots that would embarrass me. So . . . the wedge alignments are certainly HUGE . . . but they are not the only deal. The ball doesn't know if you bent your left wrist if the club is still satisfying the On Plane and 3 function alignments. Not saying you should do that BUT . . . . you believe the best ball striker in the world to be a throwaway artist . . . . maybe we should look at his hand path and the alignments in his pivot and the dynamic loading and unloading of his accumulators and see what we can learn. Just because his compromised wedges offend your TGM sensibilities doesn't mean that there's not something there of GREAT IMPORTANCE to get in the old game.
D . . . Question for you . . . In another thread on Right Forearms you have sited Sergio for "throwaway" . . . . now we can certainly debate his Power Package alignments at Impact . . . but I will agree with you that the integrity of his wedges are compromised certainly after the ball is gone and maybe before. BUT . . . . . most of the pros believe that he is the best ball strike on tour . . . .
So what is he doing correctly that overrides his Flying Wedge alignments?
I would put my Flying Wedge alignments up against most on this forum and not be embarrassed . . . BUT I can certainly hit some shots that would embarrass me. So . . . the wedge alignments are certainly HUGE . . . but they are not the only deal. The ball doesn't know if you bent your left wrist if the club is still satisfying the On Plane and 3 function alignments. Not saying you should do that BUT . . . . you believe the best ball striker in the world to be a throwaway artist . . . . maybe we should look at his hand path and the alignments in his pivot and the dynamic loading and unloading of his accumulators and see what we can learn. Just because his compromised wedges offend your TGM sensibilities doesn't mean that there's not something there of GREAT IMPORTANCE to get in the old game.
Sergio is one of the greatest Golfers to ever play.
Sergio has a tiny little Throwaway. So do most of the Pros at least off the Tee. It's hardly anything. But anytime the Clubhead gains on the Hands before or During impact, by Flattening the Right Wrist, no matter How Slight, it's termed Throwaway. Hinging is the Opposite of Throwaway.
I believe that there's a Lot more to Golf than Swinging a Club Perfectly. It's still and always will be part "Art". Hinging may be easier for a Hitter. I know that its much more difficult for a Swinger to learn.
When it come to Scoring, I don't care how it gets done. When I'm thinking TGM Theory I'm a purist.
Sergio is one of the greatest Golfers to ever play.
Sergio has a tiny little Throwaway. So do most of the Pros at least off the Tee. It's hardly anything. But anytime the Clubhead gains on the Hands before or During impact, by Flattening the Right Wrist, no matter How Slight, it's termed Throwaway. Hinging is the Opposite of Throwaway.
I believe that there's a Lot more to Golf than Swinging a Club Perfectly. It's still and always will be part "Art". Hinging may be easier for a Hitter. I know that its much more difficult for a Swinger to learn.
When it come to Scoring, I don't care how it gets done. When I'm thinking TGM Theory I'm a purist.
Witcha . . . BUT . . . . what defines a TGM purist? To me the beauty of Mr. Kelley's work is the catalog . . . . putting the components together . . . . Just think about the different stuff just with something as isolated as Knee Actions and all the different implications that result in the other components (even how it effects the hand path stuff in this thread) Does one Knee Action make it easier to have a particular Hand Path? . . . . pretty awesome that a dude could even catalog that WITHOUT video.
In my last post I said that during the optimization part of the study Nesbit/McGinnis studied a "circular delivery path" and found it to be better than the scratch golfer's original hand path. That's not true ... what they found was that to get the same clubhead speed using a "circular delivery path" would require 10% MORE power (a lot more torque). (See table 7 http://www.jssm.org/vol8/n2/11/T7.htm ) . Looks like "circular delivery" is out.
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Now as to your question bucket...
It takes three points to define a plane (any plane). So if we were to take the coordinates of the hands at the top of the swing, in the middle of the downswing and at impact we can define a plane... lets call it the hand (hub) plane. That's what we're looking at in that graphic I overlayed the spiral on. Its not a front view, side view etc. ... is a view perpendicular to that hand plane.
X and Y are just cartesian coordinates on a plane. The curves are the path the hands trace on that plane. BTW Nesbit does not tell us how much the hands actually deviate from said plane. That would be nice to know.
I hear the question: How do you teach it?
Our problem statement is: how do we to maximize CHS given fixed kinetic (muscle power) limitations?
To solve any problem we must get to root cause; and a jouney of 1000 miles begins with the first step.. That what Nesbit and McGinnis have done here... They have shown definitively that hand path is THE KEY FACTOR involved in maximizing the kinetic transfer (from body to club) i.e. root cause. Furthermore the computer has told us that the optimal hand path for the blended second and third phases of the downswing should resemble a spiral (at least for this scratch golfer). Now biomechanics must tell us how that hand path goal is best achieved... what muscle groups need developing to improve the kinetic limitations and what areas of flexibility are needed... sequencing etc.
Today the latest rage is radar reports of what is happening at impact. That's all well and good but I can envision a day in the not too distant future when Instruction will begin by setting up camera(s) (or sensors of some type), plugging in computer having a validated biomechanics model of student (not unlike Nesbit's). Swing is captured and within seconds optimized improvement suggested (including animations showing how to move differently in order to achieve).
I can see it now... in the not too distant future Kostis will be expounding on a golfer's screwed up hand path seconds after the mis-hit. Gone are the days when golf was a pastime of the pipe-smoking leisure class dressed in stiff suits and bowtie swinging hickory sticks. We're on the the verge of maximizing human potential now.
If I was an instructor... And if I had an instruction studio... I would get a big mirror and paint a big spiral on it today. I'd have the student stand infront of said mirror and teach him/herself how make their hands trace that spiral before proceeding to the net/range. Just a suggestion
NM . . . Thanks for posting . . . . I'm still not sure I am following you. Let's take your "mirror" deal for example. Would you position the student to see spiral from "face on" or "down the line?"
Also . . . Imagine that you have a player standing on a mat and you were going to plot the curve of the hand path on the ground for his hands to "cover" as he stood in the middle of the hand path "graph". . . . what would that mat with the "spiral" or whatever you want to call it look like?
If this is gonna be revolutionary . . . you gotta be able to make it so dillweeds like me can get it.
NM . . . Thanks for posting . . . . I'm still not sure I am following you.
If this is gonna be revolutionary . . . you gotta be able to make it so dillweeds like me can get it.
Thanks!
Bucket
You really think that if they didn't attract the category that all of your "peeps" fall into, it couldn't become revolutionary? Did you stop taking the anti-delusional medication that the doctor told you to take?
P.S. the catalogs haven't shown up yet - are you using them?
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If I was an instructor... And if I had an instruction studio... I would get a big mirror and paint a big spiral on it today. I'd have the student stand infront of said mirror and teach him/herself how make their hands trace that spiral before proceeding to the net/range. Just a suggestion
i have a mirror, so how do i draw the spiral on it? does height, length of arms, etc., have any bearing on the spiral?
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