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Old 04-19-2009, 09:25 AM
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Is this similar to the majic of the right forarm in the golf machine?
What are the key things you look for when examining a putting stroke, and helping players roll the ball more consistently?
Do you have any keys or drills you have your guys focus on to improve their strokes, and their putting?

If you watch Tiger he practices with his right hand only keeping the elbow connected to his side. This helps Tiger release the putter, Tiger actually closes the putter face after impact "BECAUSE" he aims right of his intended target a little. Most of don't and we release the club with the putter face staying square to our line. The right elbow does a coulple of things; it controls the speed, and face angle. Lot of times you see guys with their hands away from the body and they have to control the putter with the right forearm. When you minipulate the forearm you have a tendency to rotate instead of rock the shoulders, Decell on short putts, and cut with the face. The right elbow helps control all of these things.

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Old 04-19-2009, 12:45 PM
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Are you saying Tiger aims the face right of the target? I could see his clubhead path as being a little right of the target for a ball struck slightly back of low point. Is this what you mean?

What ever it is he does he sure gets a nice roll on it.
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Old 04-19-2009, 01:12 PM
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Are you saying Tiger aims the face right of the target? I could see his clubhead path as being a little right of the target for a ball struck slightly back of low point. Is this what you mean?

What ever it is he does he sure gets a nice roll on it.


Yes, I saw the data once I do not remeber the exact numbers but Tiger aims right of his intended line, and release's the club face to compensate this. Tiger Woods is the best green reader on the planet, and can will the ball in the hole when needed "Clutch Putter".. His stroke is not the best out there, but it is the best for him. That is proof that you don't have to do it perfect to get the job done. David Orr who is a TGM guy had told me about why Tiger released the putte (Toe Closes after impact).. Every one is not going to putt the same way and they are not going to release the club the same way, but all the greats have a connected right elbow. Jackie Burke told me along time ago when I was a Jr. Golfer the right hand is the piston and the right elbow connected is the stabilizer for the piston, if that stabilzer is not connect that piston can push where ever it wants to go out of your control.

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Old 04-20-2009, 03:19 PM
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If you watch Tiger he practices with his right hand only keeping the elbow connected to his side. This helps Tiger release the putter, Tiger actually closes the putter face after impact "BECAUSE" he aims right of his intended target a little. Most of don't and we release the club with the putter face staying square to our line. The right elbow does a coulple of things; it controls the speed, and face angle. Lot of times you see guys with their hands away from the body and they have to control the putter with the right forearm. When you minipulate the forearm you have a tendency to rotate instead of rock the shoulders, Decell on short putts, and cut with the face. The right elbow helps control all of these things.

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So should we strive to keep our elbow against our side? How does it move as the shoulders rock, or in the case of the push basic or piston stroke how does it stay there as the elbow folds?
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Old 04-20-2009, 07:51 PM
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So should we strive to keep our elbow against our side? How does it move as the shoulders rock, or in the case of the push basic or piston stroke how does it stay there as the elbow folds?


I might have been mis-leading or not as clear as I should have been!!! You are not going to keep the elbow drove to the body or cemmented, unless you are practicing with one arm. The elbow is going to stay close but have room to move against the body with out uncomfortable pressure of having it glued to your side. The visual I give is you should let it follow the curve of the stomach/side, kind of like the stories of Hogan wearing a hole out in his sweater fromt the right elbow in his full swing. You are doing the same in your putting stroke from the arm rubbing your side.

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Old 04-22-2009, 04:32 PM
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A couple of keys to a piston-style, or push basic stroke is to pre-set the right shoulder down plane for a precision follow through and keep said shoulder motionless. It is a hitting stroke so the right shoulder serves as a backstop for the straightening right elbow. I had very little success with the push basic stroke because I could not control the pace of my putts very well...until Yoda taught me (Alignment Golf) to pre-set the right shoulder further down plane in order to achieve a "deeper" follow through and visa versa on shorter putts etc.
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Old 04-23-2009, 07:46 AM
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Face Balance vs. Impact Balance
Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought that there were two kinds of "balanced putters".
  1. Face Balanced (Heel-Toe) "Anser"
  2. Impact Balanced (Perimeter weighted). "the Odyssey-white hot,two ball"
There probably exists every kind in between too.
I like putting with my right elbow glued to my side and I like the “Push Basic” stroke. I’ve had days when I couldn’t miss a putt with either one and days when I could make a putt with either one.
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Old 05-01-2009, 10:05 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought that there were two kinds of "balanced putters".
  1. Face Balanced (Heel-Toe) "Anser"
  2. Impact Balanced (Perimeter weighted). "the Odyssey-white hot,two ball"
There probably exists every kind in between too.
I like putting with my right elbow glued to my side and I like the “Push Basic” stroke. I’ve had days when I couldn’t miss a putt with either one and days when I could make a putt with either one.
Yes face balanced is a twoball type, and heel toe is like an answer. The easiest way to see this is to balance the shaft on your finger, and see if the toe hangs down towards the ground, then it is heel toe. If the clubface is looking at the sky, then you have a face balanced putter
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