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Old 03-11-2009, 12:18 PM
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On another forum , a guy was reporting his success pretending to be JB Holmes.

No wristcock...basically swings with impact alignments, wedges...is that the kind of pattern you are describing?
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Old 03-11-2009, 01:13 PM
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On another forum , a guy was reporting his success pretending to be JB Holmes.

No wristcock...basically swings with impact alignments, wedges...is that the kind of pattern you are describing?
First the lady in the video has no clue what is going on and the instructor is not much better. There is a left wrist cock going on but JB’s swing but he is feeling a firm structure in the hands and wrist joints and does not feel any left wrist cock.

In the Robitic Fade pattern I am describing you use “The Bat” with fixed alignments and the club head is brought up to the top of the back swing with a little bending in the right elbow and motion from the shoulder girdle. A connected pivot is a big key with this pattern and that is where your upper and lower body with your arms are in sync moving together. There is no run off of the arms in the swing. They stay in sync with the pivot.

It has a robotic firm feel in the hands, wrist joints and shoulder joints. The key to maximizing your body rotation is to have a little space between the upper arms and the upper torso maintaining this with the firm structure of the shoulder girdle. Also key is maintaining the fixed alignments of “The Bat” until the finish swivel. The swing pattern is very easy to repeat and provides lots of distance and precession. You can hit draws and fades with this pattern with some alignment changes at address.

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Old 03-11-2009, 01:56 PM
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On another forum , a guy was reporting his success pretending to be JB Holmes.

No wristcock...basically swings with impact alignments, wedges...is that the kind of pattern you are describing?
First the lady in the video has no clue what is going on and the instructor is not much better. There is a left wrist cock going on but JB’s swing but he is feeling a firm structure in the hands and wrist joints and does not feel any left wrist cock.

The Robotic Fade pattern I am describing uses “The Bat” with fixed alignments. The right wrist is bent back to where the leading edge of the driver is in line with the right index finger knuckle and the left wrist is level. There is a slight bend in the left elbow and more of a bent in the right elbow at address.

The club head is brought back and in with the pivot and brought up with a little bending in the right elbow and motion from the shoulder girdle. Make sure you have the enough up motion starting at the same time as the pivot or you will take the club head to much inside.

The left elbow at address is positioned about 65 degrees off the target line and off the torso. The right elbow position at address is pointing about 45 degrees off the target line and off the torso. The right elbow position is very important as it provides a brace to prevent the club head from coming to far inside on the take away move all the way up to the back swing. On the down swing this right elbow position also provides a brace and keeps the club head from working under plane. You can use opposing pressure to help maintain the arm structure as well. This is where the right hand is pushing out and the left hand is pulling in. Both forces offset and the feel is like an isometric. This is how I teach TGM extensor action

A connected pivot is a big key with this pattern and that is where your upper and lower body with your arms are in sync moving together from address to the finish. There is no run off of the arms in the swing. The arms stay in sync with the pivot and only raise and lower during the swing. It has a robotic firm feel in the hands, wrist joints and shoulder joints.

The key to maximizing your body rotation with the Robotic Fade pattern is to have a little space between the upper arms and the upper torso, maintaining this with the firm structure of the shoulder girdle. Also key is maintaining the fixed alignments of “The Bat” until the finish swivel. Once you set the alignments of the hands and arms you do not change them until the finish swivel.

Also the swivel motion I am talking about is from the wrists and a little forearm rotation. The left wrist will bend back and the right wrist will flatten during the swivel while maintaining the arm structure. This is why some will think they see a chicken wing but it really is not a chicken wing at all. The Robotic Fade pattern is very easy to learn and repeat and provides lots of distance and precession.

You can hit draws and fades with this pattern with some alignment changes at address.
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:50 PM
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On another forum , a guy was reporting his success pretending to be JB Holmes.

No wristcock...basically swings with impact alignments, wedges...is that the kind of pattern you are describing?
Here is the scoop on The Robotic Fade Pattern.

The Robotic Fade pattern I am describing uses TGM “The Bat” with fixed alignments. The right wrist is bent back to where the leading edge of the driver is in line with the right index finger knuckle and the left wrist is level. There is a slight bend in the left elbow and more of a bent in the right elbow at address.

The club head is brought back and in with the pivot and brought up with a little bending in the right elbow and motion from the shoulder girdle. Make sure you have the enough up motion starting at the same time as the pivot or you will take the club head to much inside.

The left elbow at address is positioned about 65 degrees off the target line and off the torso. The right elbow position at address is pointing about 45 degrees off the target line and off the torso. The right elbow position is very important as it provides a brace to prevent the club head from coming to far inside on the take away move all the way up to the back swing.

On the down swing this right elbow position also provides a brace and keeps the club head from working under plane. You can use opposing pressure to help maintain the arm structure as well. This is where the right hand is pushing out and the left hand is pulling in. Both forces offset and the feel is like an isometric. This is how I teach TGM extensor action.

A connected pivot is a big key with this pattern and that is where your upper and lower body with your arms are in sync moving together from address to the finish. There is no run off of the arms in the swing. The arms stay in sync with the pivot and only raise and lower during the swing. It has a robotic firm feel in the hands, wrist joints and shoulder joints.

The key to maximizing your body rotation with the Robotic Fade pattern is to have a little space between the upper arms and the upper torso, maintaining this with the firm structure of the shoulder girdle. Also key is maintaining the fixed alignments of “The Bat” until the finish swivel. Once you set the alignments of the hands and arms you do not change them until the finish swivel.

Also the swivel motion I am talking about is from the wrists and a little forearm rotation. The left wrist will bend back and the right wrist will flatten during the swivel while maintaining the arm structure. This is why some will think they see a chicken wing but it really is not a chicken wing at all. The Robotic Fade pattern is very easy to learn and repeat and provides lots of distance and precession.

The Robotic Fade Swing Pattern produces a 3 yard fade with the driver. You can hit draws with this pattern with some alignment changes at address.


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Old 03-12-2009, 01:57 AM
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I remember seeing a picture of "The Bat." It is not in the index, however.
Can anyone provide a section reference?
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:48 AM
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I remember seeing a picture of "The Bat." It is not in the index, however.
Can anyone provide a section reference?
10-3-K "The Bat" is on Page 146 of TGM book 6th edition. There is a picture also.
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:17 AM
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10-3-K "The Bat" is on Page 146 of TGM book 6th edition. There is a picture also.
So the bat is a minor basic stroke.

John - can you elaborate on how this robotic fade differenciates from hitting with impact address?
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Old 03-12-2009, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Thom View Post
So the bat is a minor basic stroke.

John - can you elaborate on how this robotic fade differenciates from hitting with impact address?
The Robotic Fade Pattern is a swinging pattern with options. You can hit with it as well.
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4 barrel hit without #2 Accumulator?
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So the bat is a minor basic stroke.

John - can you elaborate on how this robotic fade differenciates from hitting with impact address?
John's description makes me think of a 4 barrel Hit with little #2 accumulator : Impact address, stiff structure but with a big dose of pivot rotation.

The stiff structure, the body rotation in the backswing and the necessity to keep the left arm connected (to feel PP#4) could look as if you take the club too in the inside. But as long as you trace the planeline it is ok (a Mike Weir type of swing).

Very interesting: a lot of power for sure but don't you have timing issues?
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Old 03-14-2009, 03:47 AM
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John's description makes me think of a 4 barrel Hit with little #2 accumulator : Impact address, stiff structure but with a big dose of pivot rotation.

The stiff structure, the body rotation in the backswing and the necessity to keep the left arm connected (to feel PP#4) could look as if you take the club too in the inside. But as long as you trace the planeline it is ok (a Mike Weir type of swing).

Very interesting: a lot of power for sure but don't you have timing issues?
The connection of pp#4 happens on the down swing during the transition. The elbow position works like a brace and keeps the club head from working inside too much on the back swing. Timing is not a problem if you maintain the structure of the flying wedges and use the magic of the right forearm to cock the left wrist. It is a powerful 4 barrel swing pattern many golfers can learn with no problems. Take the back swing only to the top and the swing is easy to repeat.
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