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Old 08-17-2008, 12:02 AM
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Purehitter,

Did you study TGM with Tom Tomasello???

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Norrie Wright is who I worked with to become an authorized TGM instructor.
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Old 08-17-2008, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by purehitter View Post
Norrie Wright is who I worked with to become an authorized TGM instructor.
What they mean, IMOP is if your going to max out the upward thrust into a driver you would have a huge assent upward into a driver swing.


Sorry can't much TGM lingo about it.However your centers would be all Behind at the top of the swing.
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Old 08-17-2008, 08:08 PM
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Norrie Wright is who I worked with to become an authorized TGM instructor.
Hey Purehitter, Norrie earned his GSEB through me and at the time he did not like Hitting very much. He's always been a big fan of the pelvic girdle clearing on the downswing and providing a primary muscular thrust to somehow hit that ball in the most mechanically advantaged manner. I wonder if you convinced him that the right arm and hands unhinging to the ball was a superior way a la Tom Tomasello, Peter Croker, Delaware Golf, et al, and me. I don't talk to Norrie anymore so I wonder if you know how he feels about the right arm and hands now?

By the way, you are a persistent man in trying to convince the regular posters on this site that the pivot is a conduit vs. the source of the primary muscular thrust that hits the damn ball. The legs are the engine and the right arm and hand are the primary muscular transmitters that redirect groundforce caused by hopefully instinctive leg action. This is likely true for both Swinging and Hitting. In pure Swinging the right hand is palm up to the plane when right arm muscular thrust is transmitted and in pure Hitting the right hand palm is perpendicular to the plane when right arm thrust is transmitted. Hinge action through impact is the difference along with grip tightness.

I think Homer Kelley usually writes throughout 6 to 7 editions that the pivot is utilized for transport, guidance, launching pad, and back up support for the power package and not much of a power source itself. Modern research supports this as currewnt biomechanics assigns the role of stability to core muscles so that humans can create powerful accurate movements of their extremities. We can't kick the damn ball. Strike it with your good arm and let your pivot help. The pivot can't hit it, but without the pivot it would be hard to hit it well. As for pivot help, the shoulder girdle clears to let your right forearm uncock toward that inside aft quadrant of the ball, so whether you are in a wheelchair or on your knees the pivot helps. Good work John from your trustworthy ally, Cooper
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Old 08-17-2008, 09:10 PM
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I think Homer Kelley usually writes throughout 6 to 7 editions that the pivot is utilized for transport, guidance, launching pad, and back up support for the power package and not much of a power source itself. Modern research supports this as currewnt biomechanics assigns the role of stability to core muscles so that humans can create powerful accurate movements of their extremities. We can't kick the damn ball. Strike it with your good arm and let your pivot help. The pivot can't hit it, but without the pivot it would be hard to hit it well. As for pivot help, the shoulder girdle clears to let your right forearm uncock toward that inside aft quadrant of the ball, so whether you are in a wheelchair or on your knees the pivot helps.
Another solid post, Coop. I always enjoy your comments. Thanks for posting!

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Old 08-17-2008, 11:54 PM
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Hey Purehitter, Norrie earned his GSEB through me and at the time he did not like Hitting very much. He's always been a big fan of the pelvic girdle clearing on the downswing and providing a primary muscular thrust to somehow hit that ball in the most mechanically advantaged manner. I wonder if you convinced him that the right arm and hands unhinging to the ball was a superior way a la Tom Tomasello, Peter Croker, Delaware Golf, et al, and me. I don't talk to Norrie anymore so I wonder if you know how he feels about the right arm and hands now?

By the way, you are a persistent man in trying to convince the regular posters on this site that the pivot is a conduit vs. the source of the primary muscular thrust that hits the damn ball. The legs are the engine and the right arm and hand are the primary muscular transmitters that redirect groundforce caused by hopefully instinctive leg action. This is likely true for both Swinging and Hitting. In pure Swinging the right hand is palm up to the plane when right arm muscular thrust is transmitted and in pure Hitting the right hand palm is perpendicular to the plane when right arm thrust is transmitted. Hinge action through impact is the difference along with grip tightness.

I think Homer Kelley usually writes throughout 6 to 7 editions that the pivot is utilized for transport, guidance, launching pad, and back up support for the power package and not much of a power source itself. Modern research supports this as currewnt biomechanics assigns the role of stability to core muscles so that humans can create powerful accurate movements of their extremities. We can't kick the damn ball. Strike it with your good arm and let your pivot help. The pivot can't hit it, but without the pivot it would be hard to hit it well. As for pivot help, the shoulder girdle clears to let your right forearm uncock toward that inside aft quadrant of the ball, so whether you are in a wheelchair or on your knees the pivot helps. Good work John from your trustworthy ally, Cooper
Cooper it is good to see you are keeping an eye on these swingers and not letting them get out of hand. Just kidding but it is funny how people read my posts. I said use more of a passive pivot. I did not say to not pivot. If you touch on a subject that is etched in stone for some golfers they will say whatever they want to try to disprove you. It is like telling a story to a friend and when the story finds its way back to you after several people telling it you would not even recognize it.
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:52 AM
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Purehitter,

I personally feel and would like to make a little argument . The correct amount of antidote have to be given to the right amount to the poisoned or overdose will occur .

Too much Hip slide is as notorious as too little hip slide. 7-12 ...But I agree .. maybe good players will need to quieten their leg action some.

I know this. because I came from too much out in, to too much in out , slicer to hooker ..

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The Pattern of the Stroke being used designates where Thrust is to originate and that is completely the player's option. See 10-4 and 10-19. Pivot Thrust alone (2-K), forfeits Right Arm Thrust (6-B-1). Power Package Thrust alone (6-O), forfeits Momentum Transfer (2-K).

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BODY POWER Inertia can hold the Left Arm against the chest while the Body Turn is accelerating it and Momentum can then sustain it and come out with the Feel of left Arm power. See 2-K. To clear the fog, consider Pivot Thrust as Body Power blasting a Swinger's essentially inert Left Arm into orbit toward Impact. Or, as supplying the initial acceleration of the Hitter's loaded Power Package so the Club- head can be endowed with Pivot Speed PLUS Right Triceps Speed. Study 6-B-4, 6-C-0 and 7-12 in this connection.
Furthermore.. In a full swing motion by having a too active right tricep... low point will easily change.... As our bucket say its beautifully. Accumulator 4 and 1 moves together. which mean release of the accumulator is a synchronized effort .. too passive or too active pivot will destroy rhythm. They have to have to sync to maintain rhythm and proper sequence.
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:49 AM
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Furthermore.. In a full swing motion by having a too active right tricep... low point will easily change.... As our bucket say its beautifully. Accumulator 4 and 1 moves together. which mean release of the accumulator is a synchronized effort .. too passive or too active pivot will destroy rhythm. They have to have to sync to maintain rhythm and proper sequence.
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"When a golf club is moved, there is no visible information as to the cause of the movement—you cannot discern what is really going on just from watching. In golf, perhaps more than in any other sport, knowing the difference in what exertions to use actively and what actions are more passive is enormously important in hitting the ball with the sweet spot of the club head!"


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